Welcome to zombie strains, the podcast that watches all the zombie movies. Today we have a double feature, one film revisiting old tropes.

“What are those drums? I say you're there, voodoo drums. But don't worry. Any voodoo that's practiced on this island today is quite harmless.”

Of course it is. And one film tackling the important new topics of the day.

“Mrs. Nash told me a wild group of hippies busted into the hotel and a raising hell. “

It's the 1971 classic double feature. I Drink Your Blood and I Eat Your Skin.

You know, I've seen people act like that in pictures. What do they call them, zombies or something?

Zombie.

Zombie?

What's a zombie?

Well a zombie…there’s um... ...Mr. Bill there’s... ...the living dead.

They are the living dead.

Get me the zombies!

Against an army of zombies, no armies could stand!

The unburied dead are coming back to life and seeking human victims.

I’ve seen the dead rise.

Kill the brain, and you kill the ghoul.

Welcome to zombies drains. I'm John.

I'm Andy

And I'm Brad

Producer Brad , Andy, welcome to the grind house. Yeah, for 1971. I thought we would have a couple more years before we've just plunged into the depth of exploitation grind house for but I stand corrected. Yeah, I'm curious about whether or not this this feels like a tri-hard grindhouse, but maybe all grindhouse is tri-hard. I don't actually know. So I think tri-hard is part of the DNA of a good grindhouse. Yeah, I think you are correct. In any case, the films we're speaking of are I drink your blood and and I eat your skin, which were presented as a double feature in 1971. However, before we get there, is anyone reading or enjoying anything zombie or, you know, just general movie related? We always like to throw stuff out there. No, I have been pondering a reread of the Walking Dead comics, which I enjoyed very much, and I read a couple of years ago, but that would be a big time investment, so I'm curious. I haven't ever read them, and I think I would enjoy them. I didn't, I didn't want to watch the show so much, but I think I might enjoy a comic book of it more. I think you would enjoy the comics, John. Well, it's the same guy who writes, it's Robert Kirkman, is that right? The same guy who writes invincible or wrote invincible. Yeah. Yeah, and I enjoyed invincible. So I should give it a shot. I am reading a book I think I talked about it once before. It's called Between Two Fires. It is a horror novel set during the Black plague. It's about a night that is sort of protecting a young sort of Joan of Arc. figure who's traveling around France trying to rescue it from the plague and they run into devils and demons and she's strangely blessed and it's absolutely fantastic. So I can't recommend it enough. Kim on 2012. Does it make you think of that Santon movie we watched a couple episodes ago about Santon during the Middle Ages or whenever it was? You know, not even a little bit. So yeah, that's probably for the past. So I really enjoyed that. And I'd like to say I, uh, me and the family watch sheep detectives last night, and, uh, maybe we prefer that to this. But I don't want to judge these films too soon. I've heard that's quite good. Yeah. We'll stay tuned to the end when we rate these two movies against sheep detectives. There you go. All right. Well, Brad, tell us how we got here. What, what happened? What went wrong? The story of this double bill starts in 1964. Delteny having just finished directing and producing the horror of Party Beach went to Florida, shoot a movie, you know, zombie. I knew it so much. Yes. Or you guys didn't remember the name when you wanted to know. That's okay, it's all coming together for you. Yes, all is forgiven, I understand. So he made money on the horror party beach and he took a lot of the money and went to Florida to shoot a movie called zombie. Now, Tammy was a regional horror movie director based in Connecticut. And this is Tammy's second film on zombie strains the first being horror party beach. He directed only four movies in total. And i.e. your skin is the third. His last film descendant came out in 2003 and he died in 2013. Wow, that's a long break between masterpieces. Yeah. He discovered that he wasn't going to make money, and so he stopped doing films after this one, until he came back by around 2000. Now, William Grafay was the second unit director on your skin. Can I just interject right there? Here's the joke I wrote down. Second unit director, did they have a first unit director? Sorry, carry on. It is hard. I have already refrained from making several cracks about the quality of these films. It's just going to be difficult, but I carry on. I was surprised that your skin had a surprising level competence in terms of how it looked at times. Yeah, it was coherent, and actually not terribly shot. It has other sins, but we'll get to those. Well, William Grafay was the second unit director. He calls himself the swamp man. He went on to direct a bunch of low budget and exploitation films, all filmed in Florida, or most filmed in Florida. He directed the 1974 film impulse, which started William Shattner as a killer. Oh, wow. The DVD for I eat your skins has some background story to him, and he did a movie called Maco, which was about the jaws of death as a shark movie. He couldn't afford to make a model, so he used real sharks. I like them already as instructions to the actors were just like it'll be fine just swim really fast it's all the way across the pool. I think there was a scene where somehow they have a dead shark and so they're using that to like the tack people up close and then they toss in the water and it swam off. William Joyce played Tom Harris, his best-known role was three years later after I eat your skin. He played Senator Charles Carroll, who's assassination starts the conspiracy in the 1974 film, The Paralax View. Yes, like a film of note, and I can't say I recognized him from that, but like he clearly was that guy, like at some point I've seen him in some old TV show or something. Yeah, you're watching him. He has moments of like, this guy's really good. Yeah, I know. Why am I seeing him in this? And then there are moments where, oh, that's why he's in this. He then had many TV guest spots and shows like the Rockford files, Barnaby Jones, Knight Rider, Baywatch, and Hunter. He died in 1998. Heather Hewitt played Genie. She was a model in the 60s and 70s appearing on the covers of magazines like Playboy, Cosmopolitan, and Life. After I eat your skin, she had background parts and shows like the misadventures of Sheriff Lobo and Fantasy Island. In the 90s, you can find her in that parts and high profile movies like Indies and Proposal, Dave, and that thing you do. Interesting. Huh. Her last credit is a 2011 movie called Love Sick Captivity. And I bring it up because the director of that film is named Creep Creepersin. And of course, he has the zombie film called zombie dolls with a Z. Okay. 15. Great. And it wasn't on our list, but it is now. Well, that's like 10 years later than you could put a Z at the end of something. I know, I feel like maybe even a whole deck. Yeah, like 90s was maybe the last time. Also, I got to say, to be called himself the swamp man, it's very hard to be cool and come up with the nickname for yourself, isn't it? Yeah, Pete Rose came up with his own nickname and nobody used it, but him. So what was that nickname, Charlie Hustle? I think it wasn't that right. I understand why no one used that. Yes. So you guys are talking about William Grafrey again, the second unit director. Yeah. On the DVD for eight years, eight years scan there is like a eight minute mini documentary on him. Oh, yeah. And it says him talking and then at the end it says producing directed by William Grafrey. So he did his own documentary. We have this wrong, we should just be making, we should just be pretending we're big deals and making documentaries about us documentaries, about them geniuses, behind zombies, strains. Look at those in Netflix. We're middle-aged, we're struggling to pay the mortgage, and all we needed to have done is just have the attitude of this guy. Give ourselves a nickname, right? Yeah. So William Coi played Charles Bentley. His career goes back to 1936. Nice. He played a reporter in the 1954 horror film, them, and it was in many movie and TV westerns, raw hides, Cheyenne, shotguns, laid been master's in. He's probably best known as playing John Wayne's younger brother in John Ford's The Searchers. Oh! Okay, I wouldn't recognize him, but yeah, no, that you say. Yeah, he was actually really good in this film, I thought. Yeah, he has the most theatrical weight of anyone in this one. Yes. in the mini documentary on William Grafay, Grafay said he learned a lot from this actor because he said to them, do you want me to do this cut to scene and they go, what does that mean? So he taught them how to shoot, meaning do your master shot and then when you do close-ups of me, I will do the same motions and I'll match it to the dialogue so when you cut everything matches. And so he taught the filmmakers how to do this. This is amazing. And he died in 1974. All right. Oh, wow. Poor thing. And all after this, then that's, that's a bummer. Vinnoi Akins played Roby the Dancing Voodoo Priest. He must have been a professional dancer. Well, he started his career in the 1940s as a dancer and the Catherine Dunham company. Yeah, he was really good. Dunham is a fascinating person herself. She attended the University of Chicago and studied anthropology. After graduating, she went to the Caribbean and spent time in Jamaica and Haiti. She studied vote on rituals and their dances and even became a priestess in the religion. And a post a link in the show notes to an academic video that details her studies and how she found that dances away of life and a way of connecting to ancestors. Huh. Which is a great insight into many of the dances and the rituals we've seen in zombie strings. Yeah, like, you know, every zombie ritual you see, I'm sure is a bit, uh, uh, psilacious, but I will say that like, there's something about his performance, like, like, is dancing is acting because he's very believable and he's great at dancing. You can just see he's a professional. And so it adds a lot to those scenes, which we've seen much hookier versions of than in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, there's a extended sequence of a woman dancing at the beginning of this one, is she does she get any billing on this Brad because she also looked like they must have hired a professional dancer for this. I don't know about her. I do know that Aiken's in the 70's reconnected with And so I would have to assume that he was involved in choreographing the dance as we see in this film. Yeah, I'm sure. This was his last role and he died in 2013. Oh, all right. All right. So Deltene shot zombie under the title, Carabina Adventure. He worried that zombie would scare away investors. And he ultimately made the movie for $120,000. The goal was to release the film on a double bill with Frankenstein meets the Space Monster. This didn't happen in zombie sat on the shelf unreleased for six years. I was gonna say, that's the big vibe from this, is it seems like a throwback. Yeah. So let's jump to 1970, producer Jerry Gross hired David Durston to write and direct a horror movie. Durston wrote a script called phobia, which was inspired by two current events. He had read an article about rabid wolves attacking a school in Iran. Whoa, in Durston was horrified to learn that many children were infected with rabies were even put in cages. goodness. I had a rabies story that I'm not going to tell now because it's just about my neighbor. So, okay, carry on. That's much more serious. Yeah, come on. Also in the news of the time was the Charles Manson trial, so he added a cult with a charismatic leader to the story. I have a lot to say about this charismatic leader when he gets here. Dirsten had written and directed several episodes of the highly acclaimed Playhouse 90 series on CBS. This show is often considered one of the greatest TV shows in history. Many writers and directors got their start here, including John Frankenheimer, Arthur Haley, Sydney Limatt, George Roy Hill, and Rob Sirling. Okay. The cast for I Drink Your Blood was led by Baskar Chowdery. Chowdery was a premier dancer of Indian folk dances and toured the world. In 1977 during a performance at Purdue University, he fell into an orchestra pit and was paralyzed from the waist down. He died in 2003. Jaden Wong placed Suleen. Her first acting credit was in 1939 in the Peter Lorry film, Mr. Moto takes a vacation. And her last credit is in 2006 in the Pink Panther. She died in 2010. That's so bizarre. Like, here's normally when we see somebody go from 39 to 2026, it'd be like 248 credits or something, but she has 12. Well, I think that's a function of the time and being Asian, you know, they're limited opportunities. Fair enough. Lynn Lowry played Carrie, the uncult member, and I drank your blood, is her first film. She went on to be in Georgia, Maros, The Crazy's, and David Cronerberg's shivers. Well, okay, she had a cat people remake. Goodness. She was also in the 1982 version of Cat People. She played the sex worker who was mauled by a panther. All right, and she's in another zombie movie, I see. Well, hold on a second. After cat people, she focused on acting in theater and only had a few TV credits for a few decades. But her film career took off in the late 2000s. She had a cameo in the 2010 remake of The Crazy's, and she's become a mainstay in low-budget horror films with over 60 credits since 2005, including three zombie movies that weren't on our list. That's what I'm talking about. And I've added those, too. Yeah. So after Durston turned in his finished film, Fobia, producer Jerry Gross retitled it I drink your blood. He bought Dell 10, he's a zombie movie and retitled that I eat your skin and released the two as a double bill. That's marketing for you. It is there's no blood drinking or skin eating in either of these movies. I'm sorry to tell you listeners. I drink your blood initially received an X rating. The first film to be rated X for violence, not nudity. after an appeal and a few edits the film received in our rating interesting and while it's being repealed they actually sent the film out and they told all the theaters go ahead and edit it to your community norms so wherever it was playing there were different versions that the producers and directors had no clue how it was cut interesting did you did we watch the full cut we watch the cut I believe the director what was it called It was from the DVD, so it has to be, if not the director's cut, that it has to be the official version. The artist version. Yeah, I'm so fascinated by this because seven, 1970s when horror gets gross and we're just starting right here in a somewhat quaint way, actually. those are the facts that I have for these films. It's quaint, but it's nasty. Yes, you know, in a way, I knew we were going to get here. I just didn't, I feel like we are jumping into the deep end, right away in the seventies. Well, but yeah, before we, yes, I have a lot to say about that, too. But do you want to do any cultural context here, Andy? I have some commentary, so I think the cultural context is relevant, is go listen to our cultural context with the Omega Man movie, where we talk about a lot of the themes that were is exploiting because a lot of those themes are picked up right here, especially in I drink your blood, and I would like to talk about them as we go through our discussion. So, so I drink your blood is a revenge movie. It's a group of hippies on the outskirts of town, sexually assault a girl during one of their ceremonies. The town in question is slowly dying because of a damn being constructed nearby. So the evil hippies decide to set up shop in the town when the grandfather of that girl in the town veterinarian goes to confront them, they attack him and drug him. So the little brother of the assaulted girl then takes revenge by extracting blood from a rabbit dog and putting it in their food, which caused them to go insane and in fact, all of the local construction workers, who then tear up the town, killing everybody but the boy and Sylvia and his older sister Sylvia that I miss any important points here. uh let's see uh who is the other sister or someone I think she's someone else of a milledrid milledrid well she doesn't really survive their ability okay I guess yeah we'll get to that yeah so so I want to start because here's a piece of cultural context and I can't believe this is a mistake There is a character that opens the film or about to hear a clip of them. And we're not gonna go through this beat by beat because we got two movies to cover here people. So we're just gonna hit some highlights. But I wanted to tell you how the movie starts because the actor I would say his name, Bush car, is clearly from India. He is playing a native American named, I thought they said horse, but it's actually horse. Yeah. Horse bones. And there's so many levels of racism there. Like, I don't even know where to start. Like, it's pretty in depth. So anyway, would we like to hear what horse has to say about his, how he spends his free time? How about we hit, we just jump right into it, clip one. Let it be known to all the spirits that I hardest bones was born into hell. I'll reborn with this sword. Let all the spirits here. I am the firstborn son of Satan. And one thing that's not in that clip is he also mentions he's a care purcorn. So, you know, all those things going to go together, I guess. Yes, and you can't hear it, but there's a lot of nudity happening. Well, yes, there's lines. So everyone is new, including the men, they tend to shoot them from the waist up, though they sneak a little peek down below in a couple of the shots. And it's just this. So we start with this satanic ceremony. And the local girl Sylvia is watching from the trees because she met one of the, quote unquote, nice member of the satanic cult. They call themselves Sados. I was really disappointed when they mentioned that that just stands for sons and daughters of Satan. Like I thought it was some, it's just an acronym. Yes, exactly. Um, so they, they chased down this girl who's watching. This is the local girl's severe Sylvia. You don't, they don't explicitly show it, but it's assumed that that they sexually assault her. She then goes wandering into town. It's the two other men in the group, not Andy the one who was nice to. Yeah, right. In a minute, I'd like to pause and go through the membership of the cult, but can we continue with, continue with your overview? Well, yeah, I think that's as far as I wanted to go here. That's the really short part of the movie is they chased her through the woods. Let's talk about these these hippies because they're clearly hippies. Like, just like you were saying our cultural context for the Omega Man, this is all hippy them is Satanism and it's all this mysticism is actually evil. And all that flower child's stuff is just bunk. You know, it's kind of the position this movie is taking. Yeah, I mean, and this is right. Obviously, Horace is based on Charles Manson as Brad mentioned. Yep. And this cult is based on the family. And, you know, as we discuss in Omega Man, this is picking up on the theme, the mythology that arose around the Manson murders. Really, um, pivoted a lot of opinion about whether hippies, these hippy groups were just harmless drug adult silly people, right, or if there was something sinister behind them, and this movie is obviously playing into the fear that there might be something really sinister about them. And do you want to go through the leaders? So that's the that's Horace Horace bones. We also have Yeah, like, let me make an overall statement about this called. Oh, sure. I was fascinated. You mentioned that there's a lot of levels of racism going on here. Yes. And I think that is an integral part of this movie is it's playing on racial fears. And her movement fears as well. Yeah. And one thing I think that I don't think I put together, like when i thought grindhouse and i am not a counter sewer sorry sorry quentin torrentino if you're listening i'm not a big fan generally but one thing that i guess surprised me is like i knew it would be gory and push the boundaries of like like what is acceptable to show in a movie screen but it's also pushing the boundaries of racism and sexism and hobo phobia like Like, it's really pushing on those things too in a way that I didn't expect, you know what I mean? Yeah, like the earlier, we've watched a lot of movies that are some degree of racially insensitive, but there is a certain, a lot of the earlier films. I think there's a certain kind of naivety about some of the racism. Yeah, it's racist, but I don't think they're trying to be provocative with it. I think that's the world they live in, and that's the type of story they're used to telling. Right. This one, the racism is like over, like, so let's talk about like the makeup of this cult group. Yeah. So the only people in this movie that aren't white are the cult members. The cult leadership, you might say. Yes. So there's eight people in the cult. There's Horus who is the Charles Manson leader and there's like kind of two second rollo and then suyan was at the other one. That's the other one. So rollo is a black man and suyan is a Chinese woman. Correct. And so the three leadership members of this cult are all non-white basically. And they're all cultural stereotypes to these yes they're big caricatures yes below them in the cult there are so that's three the other five members of the cult are all white people yep and they are I don't even know other names white members of the cult are all to some degree like Well, they're walked all over and abused by the leadership, by the non-white leadership of the cult. So there's three women who are basically like Horace's harem, you might say. One of which is she believes carrying the child of Satan. That's right. And then Horace. There are two white men. One of them gets like routinely abused and eventually killed by the cult when they start going crazy. And they kind of suggest he's a nerd, maybe? Yes. Yeah. And then the other is a kind of a dilatant, like not taking, he's here for the partying, but he doesn't take the Satan stuff very seriously. The movie will kind of try to pitch him later as like a sort of hero, but that's not very believable once you've seen very much of him. All I'm trying to say here is, This movie is about what happens when from the perspective of like white middle class America, minorities come into your town, and they bring chaos and crime and terror and they sexually menace your women. And like I said, I don't think that's like naive. I think that they're intentionally trying to provoke you with this setup. It doesn't make it any Now, I think you nailed it and it's, um, and, and they do it in such an obvious way because Raolo is also serving in as a homosexual, so he, he both, uh, sexually ministers, sexually ministers, the women and the men in the town. Yeah. And so it's just a lot and it's so heavy handed, I was, I was just surprised, like I like you say it wasn't, it wasn't incidental, it was the point. Yeah, horse and rollo spend the whole movie without a shirt on so they're more primal too. Yeah. So I don't want to spend a ton of time going beat by beat. I'm going to give you a bunch of narrative in a stack and then you can we can pick out what we want to pull out of there. Okay. You know, so I'll sort of go act by act. So in the first act, the hippies come to town. They get up into various crazy behavior. I love this about criminals. Like, he ever run into a guy who, like, clearly is trying to cheat you, and he's, like, so obsequious that it's so obvious. And I always wonder if people like that. This is how the hippies behave when they talk to regular people in the town. And I always wonder if people like that know how obvious we all think they are. Like, you know what I mean? So in any case, they decide they're going to stay there. They're going to operate from there. And this town is abandoned. So they can sort of pick any house they want. So they pick the worst house. And they go into it and they hunt rats and they cook them on a spit. It's a hotel, actually. It's like an abandoned hotel. So I will say, you know, we haven't done a long time and we actually need to do is a trigger warning. This film features actual animals who are killed in the filming. there's a chicken. There's these rats and then later there's a goat. So, uh, and those were all real animals. So that was both the film we watched did not have the tag at the end. They said no animals were hurt the making this for you. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, this is the film's. This was upsetting to me. I don't. I don't enjoy watching this. We watch one movie this season. I think already. I think as a Mexican film. Yes, it was maybe snake people that had a live chicken being killed. And yeah, I look forward to whenever this stops becoming legal. Yeah, yes. The goat was particularly upsetting. But yes. Okay. So they set up shop. Sylvia's grandfather, it goes in confronts them, they beat him up, they drug him, and I have a clip about that, but I just want to know if there's anything you want to pick out of that before I described the the drugging of grandpa. I don't think so, but with the drugging of Grandpa, you know, are you old enough to have been around when people were afraid that a Halloween you are going to get candy that was laced with something? Absolutely. I wonder, I'm curious where this fear came from, not only that there are people doing drugs, but that they might try to drug you for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. LSD in the candy. So speaking And his grandkids are very worried about him, and here's what that sounds like. But what happened to Grandpa? He went over to the old hotel. He was going to kill instead they got him drunk. He's not drunk, stupid. He's been don't, huh? With that stuff that they call LSD. The whole bunch take it. What does it do that ill? Whatever you call it. Boy, you really don't know anything. Well, makes a person crazy. Wow. that was they've done the grandpa. Yeah, so you heard there two people, Sylvia, the woman who was assaulted. And then you hear the voice of the true villain of this film, the young boy who lives with his grandpa, who is a psycho, though I don't know if we're supposed to think that. So there's this bit I didn't quite understand, but right after this, he takes the shotgun, go shoot, um, rollo and thank you. I think it's a tent to take the gun and then go seek revenge on them. Right, but instead, he runs into a rabid dog, which he shoots and then do you want to tell what he does with the rabid dog, Andy, if it's not too upsetting. I don't think this was a real dead dog, but God, I hope not. I don't think so. I was watching carefully. One thing I wanted to say, so I was watching two versions of this sort of at the same time. I had one that was like a good quality, and it had the director commentary. But it didn't, but the sound of the regular movie was almost that pixelated out any kind of violence or nudity. Oh, really. And, but it the trigger for when to start Pixling was like the appearance of any kind of blood in the scene. And so there's a lot of scenes in this movie that aren't especially gory, but there's blood somewhere in the shot. So, right, this was this was about where the movie started to become difficult to watch. Yeah. Starting with this dead dog, which was all pixelated. Anyway, all right, that's a dumb little aside. But no, we see him. It takes us a while to realize what Pete, that's the boy's name, is going to do. Because he goes back, he goes back and his grandpa runs like a vet clinic or something. I don't know. And he's gathering all of the stuff together. And you see him laboriously, take all this veterinary equipment, and drop blood from the dead rabbit dog. Yes. his devious plan and like John said he is he is the actual biggest psycho of this movie. He is going to poison these hippies by injecting rabies infected blood into their food. Now, this family owns an operates as bakery in town. It's the only business left in town. So they know the hippies are gonna have to come there for food. So he injects rabid blood into a big batch of meat pies, which the hippies come by the next morning and purchase and then eat very messily and without using utensils. Pete sells it to them at a discount. Yes, he's like a quarter a quarter a pie if they buy 12 or something. Yeah, and he's got the talk is his the woman who runs the bakery into into Mildred into into selling him. She's like, I've got these ones over here and he's like, no, no, these ones. Yeah, I think these ones and I the note I took here is the real horror of this film is watching people eat. Alright, yeah, we might as well. I have a little quiz for you guys. Just a couple questions. Yeah. Having just watched this scientific documentary, I think you're primed to do well on my quiz. Now, you want to hear before we get to your quiz, do you want to hear what Grandpa has to say about rabies? Of course. Yeah, let's hear that this is later in the film, but let's hear what Grandpa has to say about rabies. But before that, it's like the devil takes over the body, the mind reduced to the level of an animal. Keepable of the most savage acts. The colour of red triggers an excitement in the mind, and, of course, the fear of water and clear liquid. Produces in almost fanatical craving for raw flesh. But worries me is the fact that this here hippie group is unharmed drugs. Coupled with a reaction to the rabies virus and it's bound to cause unthinkable complications. So I forgot to mention, Grandpa is a veteran area. So based on Yuri's of Chandy, how well does the veteran air and its diagnosis match up with reality? Perhaps your quiz will reveal that. Let's find out listeners get a pad of paper and a number two pencil. I'm ready. No cheating. We have three questions. All right, Brad, John, and listeners. This is multiple choice, so I'm going to read you the question and then four possible answers. Okay. What is the incubation period of rabies in humans? Here are your possible answers. A hours, B days, C weeks or D months. I say weeks. I was going to say weeks. It's months and possibly up to a year. Oh, wow. I think we can all agree that this movie's plot suffers if the rabies doesn't kick in for a year. Yes. Okay. Next question. Which of the following is not a symptom of rabies? A hydrophobia fear of water? be hypercellivation, excessive drool, three aerophobia, fear of drafts of air, or four a fanatical craving for raw flesh. I was going to go with four a fanatical craving for raw flesh, but what do you think producer been? Well, I know, because I did a brief research, I know that you're not afraid of water, you have difficulty swallowing, which makes it, you fearful to drink water. Uh-huh. So I will go with one, but I'm not, I'm not confident at all. First of all, I think I alternated these being using numbers and letters and my answers. That was just to confuse you. The actual answer is D. A fanatical craving for raw flesh is not a symptom of being rabid. Yeah, I'm sorry. Those are the things are, although with some of the nuances that Brad points out. Well, but, baby, rabies is complicated by the introduction of hard drugs. Exactly. So all bets are off from the student LSD and you get rabies. Who knows? One more rabies quiz question. All right, which of the following ways does rabies spread to humans? A, ingesting rabies infected blood through a meat pie? For example, B, sexual activity with an infected person. See, saliva from an infected person entering broken skin, or D extended close physical proximity to an infected person. Which one is true? Oh, one of those is a real way that rabies can. Broken skin. Broken skin. Yeah, it's broken skin. Yeah. Yes. The other ways are used in this movie, but all right. That was my brief. I have a question to add. Yeah. How many deaths a year in the U.S. from rabies? Not many, I hope. 75. less than 10. Oh, wow. You know, this is from the CDC. You know, it's interesting about that is like I had a friend who had an older house and they had a bat and they realized they had a couple of bats in their living area. And they all had to get the treatment anyway. Just in case. And bats aren't really more susceptible to rabies than anything else. A dog or a raccoon. It's just they. They're the scariest ones. The CDC says raccoon scunks and foxes pose the most significant threat to humans. Yeah, but foxes don't come live in your house like bads do. No. Do we did those numbers spike in 1971 when this entire town was wiped out by rabies? I was going to say it doesn't show that, but it does show that, you know, positive rabies cases. There's 20 plus in southern California where I live and that's like in the high end. Okay. So the point of all that, but that dumb quiz is this movie, Like it's always curious to me when a movie uses a real thing for which there are real facts and Like this movie should have made up like some kind of disease or just not have the rabies because if you know I don't know much about rabies, but I know enough to know that like you don't pass rabies to someone by like having sex with them for example Which is one of the ways it gets One of the ways it's the way one of the many ways in men who become in So I'm just always curious why you choose to use something that some of your audience will know isn't correct by timing. I wouldn't want to suggest the type of person who makes a gruesome grindhouse movie is lazy, creatively. But he's the opposite of lazy. I mentioned that he read an article. He tracked down a doctor who went around where this village was infected. And the doctor showed him film of the event. And that's where he saw on film, the kids and cages were foaming at the mouth and not at control. Oh, wow. And so I think his imagination just ran with that. All right. So the entire cult or most of the cults is infected with rabies except the one quote unquote nice guy and Andy. Andy, yeah, says name is Andy. Surprise. I am a nice guy, but I was not a member of this cult. And we could go through all the details, but they end up killing one of their own members. Rala goes man and cuts one of the, cuts the leg off of that member with an axe. They start running around town chasing each other. The one woman who's infected, seduces a bunch of the construction workers. And it is suggested she has sex with all of them so that they all become infected. Now, we missed a vector here, which is that Matilda is friends with this guy, Roger. her name is Mildred. Mildred and she's friends with John. She's friends with John in any case. There's a lot of bit characters in this movie is what John's trying to say. And so there's a relationship there and that's why these construction workers come down because John asked them to come down and look after the town. Because they're big tough guys except they all get to do this by this woman and I'll become rabid and then they become our group of quote-unquote zombies who are racing around the town trying to kill everybody. They go absolutely bonkers. They cut the head off of the one nice hippie and they like throw it around and show it around all the time. They kill grandpa with a really proud of that guy who has the head is real proud of it because he keeps real proud of that. Yeah, to be honest for a little budget movie, it looked like the actor. It was kind of well done. It didn't look like a real head, but it looked like the actor, which was impressive. Yeah, yeah. So the movie then, it's just taking opportunities to show growth stuff. So like two of the women go to another like town's woman's house and she's nice to them. So the younger one cuts off her hand with one of those electric knives, which I don't think people own anymore. Thank God. We still use ours. Yeah. We did. I've never had one. I will not be going to Brad's house. I've seen what happens with these things. Yeah, so it's almost like a montage of, so all the cult members all slowly go crazy with rabies and they go out and commit atrocities on the towns. And then and then once those construction workers all get infected, they start running around like a So they all had shaving cream around their mouths. They do. So yeah, speaking of the shaving cream around their mouths, which is our indicator of how we know they have rabies. Yeah, I guess we've met our zombies. Do you want to tell us about them, John? Yeah, so they're essentially a modern zombie. They're fast-moving, tool-using, cannibalistic zombies. They're smarter than an average zombie. They can solve problems and figure things out, but they have that sort of, well, rabid nature, which makes them sort of go after people regardless of the cost to their own life, you know, and what is the main weakness that is used against them, that the various people, many times successfully use this weakness against them to escape those zombies. Yeah, this is amazing. It's water. Because as they say, it's hydrophobia. So they run through a river that works. But then the big scene where they escape, she uses a garden hose to run the other direction, which is amazing. But the highlight of this moment is actually the battle between Ralo and Horace Bones. We can't show it to you. But let us play some of the music that occurs during this epic battle. Well, if that didn't get your blood pumping for this movie, I don't know what else I can do. And then you got that clip because there are a lot of great psychedelic sound effects throughout this movie. It's if you are a sucker for that sort of thing, this movie is always playing weird goofy sound effects. Yes. So early synthesizer, too. Yeah. All right. So just to wrap this thing up, Sylvia and Pete, the young woman in the boy, you're pretty to be okay. Miledred appears to be okay, but then she makes Cassie face with Roger and shoots him in the head because she's really rabid. The boy tries to confess to the police and they don't believe him. And then the movie ends. Did you want to add anything to that? Let's see, a couple of things. First of all, yeah, so one of the big surprises at the end is that a person you thought had escaped actually somehow contracted rabies. Did we ever see how she got it or just, yes, she was bitten on the arm. She was bitten in the hand by a zombie when she was holding them off in one direction of the guard that was in the snuck up behind her. That's right, that's right. So this is a classic zombie trope of the person that gets a bit. And if you're paying attention or you just know kind of the narrative beats, right. You can tell that they've been bitten and that the filmmakers are putting it in their pocket to spring on you later. Yes. I personally enjoy that trope very, very much. I feel like there's lots of way the first filmmakers. No, I mean, I guess not a living dead is the first time. Yeah. Well, but night a living dead. Did that have someone who I guess the, well, the daughter in that living bed is getting more like a hero, like who, then continues to like act normally for a while, except if you are watching for the little cues, the filmmakers give you, you know, they'll cut away in a, in a way that draws attention to the fact that like, did they just get it? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But it also ends with that the zombie crisis is continuing. Yes. The people around them thinks it is ended, but yet at the very end, she rises in it as a zombie. Yeah. That I think is new. Yeah. So that's, so yeah, that's the surprise. She turns out to be rabid and while she's making out with with with with Roger. Or is it John? It's John. It's Roger. It may happen. Yeah, what's one of those these indistinguishable people. She shoots him in the head because she's crazy and rabid. Right. And I don't believe guns lying around all the time. We've talked about this before, like the general horror trope of like, it's over or is it, you know? And I think we've had this once or twice before or am I wrong? If not, if not, this is a definite first we should call out for zombie movies. So let's see, a couple just other quick things. Can we talk about the violence and the provocative content in this movie? Because, yeah, well, it's not, it's still relatively tame compared to what you see on like Game of Thrones or something. Right. It is a huge leap forward, not just in like graphic display of violence, but in just kind of the, kind of nastiness of some of the violence. The focus on it, like when the young woman cuts the hand off the nice lady who fed her, she sort of gleefully runs around, hold, showing the hand. I mean, in her defense, I don't know what I would do if my hand got cut off. Like, I don't know. Yeah. I would probably also just kind of run around. Yes, but I met the girl who cut it off also. It was holding the hand. Oh, right. Yeah. So they're really making effort to show the gore and leave it. Like, in the past when we've had beheadings and stuff, They quickly move away from it, right, but here we get to see that severed head like four more times just the guys waving around like a trophy Yeah, so there's quite a few kind of like stabbing and a few limbs get chopped off like a foot gets chopped off a hand gets chopped off the head gets chopped off. It's all of it. I mean, it's all got a kind of low budget like cheese cheesiness to it. I mean, it made me feel kind of gross. So I think it succeeded if that makes any sense. It does. And I'm fascinated. I mean, this is the time when horror movies get gross is now. and I didn't expect it to happen yet, but here we are. So yeah, the other thing I wanted to say is the, there's a really, really extended, uncomfortable scene of sexual assault. Yes, like, and this is implied. This is how all the construction workers get rabies. It's because they, well, I'm not going to go into it, because it's pretty gross. Yeah. It's funny. I grew up in like the mantra was always like, stuff is getting nastier and more violent and more profane in our films. Yes, but there are things horror movies don't really do very much anymore and this is an example. I mean, I know there are some that do, but like mainstream horror movies do not do this anymore. And so I think we are seeing kind of like a push and pull of like where is this genre going to go like what's what's effectively scary without being like upsetting in a bad way you know what I mean so I guess we'll see where this goes I think you know we're in for probably more of this as we go along but you know I found it really unpleasant to watch I mean I guess it's supposed to be unpleasant to watch but it's also clearly supposed to be titillating at the same time which is what produces that gross feeling. Yeah, it's breaking norms that it wants you to to feel uncomfortable with and there's something exciting about that. And I think there's a I think there's where we where we may struggle is we like to be scared. I don't know how much we like to be just grossed out. If a film only has scary stuff, We're okay. If a film has scary stuff and grow stuff, we're okay. If a film just has grow stuff, then that's, I feel like that's not what you and I are here for. So, right, exactly. So I have one other comment about that scene, because I think if the medically models, I don't know how intentional this was, but it works. It models the idea that the hippies are bringing the depravity into the community. Yes, because the actual main group of zombies that ends up destroying the town is these construction workers who become rabid after sexually assaulting essentially this member of the hippie cult. And to me, that is a different horror theme. Yeah, that we have seen in a lot of movies, which is there's darkness inside all of us, like there's a ferole monster waiting to get out while lurking underneath, you know, this very prosaic, like I'm a hardworking American with a 40-hour week job doing honest labor and stuff, but those people end up becoming as big a threat to the community as the actual uh, theme gets muddled or complicated in that way. Probably unintentionally, but yes, probably unintentionally, but it's still, it still happened. So I, again, I don't, I don't know if it's to the film's credit exactly, but like this is not interesting. This is like kind of a racist movie about how. Minorities are going to ruin your white neighborhood, but it does sort of, it does sort of poke its own Like racist themes of folks if you holes in it with stuff like that. So I'll I'll I'll stop beating that horse now No, that was good. And I think we should move on to I eat your skin. Yes, and I think it's funny that I wrote down I eat your flesh even though I just seen the title card of the film. So I wonder why I did that. It just sounds more like a horror movie than I eat your skin for something. Yeah, I eat your skin is a weird title. It is kind of an odd title. When I first When Brad first announced these, I assumed it was like that this was a foreign film and the translation of the title was weird or something like something didn't quite work because it clearly the word should be flush, right? Yes. Yes. So in any case, we can let's give me let me give you a quick summary of this movie and then I don't think we're going to spend as much time on it. I have yeah. I have several clips I want to play and just want to talk through it, but a playboy writer Tom Harris and his agent, Duncan Fairchild and Duncan's wife Coral, had to a small island known as Voodoo Island to write a great adventure story. On the island, they find a local constable, a doctor. I think Beladue is how we say his name. Yes, Dr. Billidoo, who's searching for a cure for cancer and his beautiful daughter Jeannie, they also find voodoo rituals, zombies, and human sacrifice, but no skin eating that I saw. And I heard Jeannie, throughout this. Do you hear Jeannie? Okay, I did, but like if I am to be said Jeannie, then we can say that. So I So let's say, Jeannie, just so we're all on the same page. Sounds good. So again, we'll find out in one of the clips you play, they say her name. Oh, all right. All right. That'll be the termining in suspense. Yes. Again, being Grindhouse. First of all, this movie. is not as gross as the other movie. Second, it is way like we were commenting that this is the same director's horror party beach and how it's competent, it is competent, but it's super boring compared to the Grindhouse Fest that we just watched. And the fact that it's an older movie is unsurprising. Though there is a decapitation, with a machete just like in the first there is a little provocative content in this yeah there's a decapitation and there's some like sexual in uendo very mild yes but if that stuff were trimmed out i would have no trouble buying that this was filmed in 1954 or something it's like it's just like we've seen this movie a bunch of times at this point quite frankly We should mention this film is Black and White, too. And when it was sold to all the drive-in theaters, they didn't tell the audience it was Black and White. They did all the promotion for a drinker blood with color pictures and said, and you're gonna see how you eat your skin. And then you see the film, and this was shown second, and it's Black and White. And much more tame. Yes. It's a, when I was watching, it's genuinely an odd pairing of movies to be in a double feature. It would be like going to a double feature of horror movies. And one movie is like ghost busters and the other is it follows. Yeah, right? Like, I mean, Just different, they're doing different things. They're different types of horror. They have different audiences, just kind of odd. Like if I were the sort of person that dug I drank your blood, I would find this movie Punishingly Doll and probably vice versa, I guess. However, it doesn't start that way. We get just like any good movie. We get sort of an opening teaser. So we do get right to it, Andy, with a, with a Voodoo ceremony, with ecstatic dancing and scantily clad people dancing around and a Voodoo master and a goat. and voodoo drums and i don't think they stop banging those drums throughout the movie i think they just keep going yeah i think you're right of all the hokey voodoo ceremonies you've seen i think this is the least hokey Yeah. This is another situation where it looks like they're having fun instead of doing anything that's very sinister. I at least until the machete comes out. Yes. And then they bring a goat out that's going to be sacrificed. However, I think they end up sacrificing the woman instead. Yes. That's implied. Well, but you don't see it on the screen. And then we kept to credit. But also in the back of the stage, there's like the head priest who's wearing some sort of disguise, we can see who it is. Yeah, yeah, but you can figure it out by the middle of the second act of the latest. Yeah, we haven't talked about this trope, but it clearly is a trope. And that is where an old white person is the leader of this jungle voodoo cult. Yes, like I think how many movies that has been the big reveal and it's the big reveal this one too. I guess not to get ahead of ourselves. Yes, absolutely. But let's just go act by act and we'll talk about some things here. I do want to talk about this first act. So we start talking to a group of rap women where he tells stories from his novels to them. He's making out with one, but unfortunately her, well, his aging comes up and says, hey, you gotta go to this island with me. There's a killer story here, and he's like, no thanks until the woman he's making out with, her husband shows up and starts chasing them. If you think it's really funny to watch someone fall into a swing pool, have I got a scene for you? Yeah, I wrote my note here is comedy high jinks. So, so a couple notes here. First of all, they escape. The husband in a role's voice. I haven't seen a role's voice before. Oh, okay, whatever. All right. Yeah. And it's a, it's called Voodoo Island. We're going to get actual zombies. Like old fashion zombies. But here's the, here's the pitch. that his Duncan Fairchild, his agent, gives him about going to this island. I'm now wait a minute. You actually contemplate taking that lovely velop to a suitcase whom you claim to love and me your breadwinner whom you claim to be your best friend to an island overrun with dead people practicing human sacrifices and booted for the sake of a good book. So, there's your plot right there. it's kind of the whole thing. Yes. So they go to the island and they go and by the way, this plane is a mooney M20, which I've never heard of before. Okay. So apparently there are popular in the 60s. So they go to the island. They meet, they land on the beach, which is kind of hilarious. Yes. Then they They sort of get separated and Tom runs into one of the local zombies, sees the local get his head cut off by the zombie, barely escapes and gets rescued by the constable. And in any case, everybody winds up at a nice manner on the island. Can I just point out like, like this island is so rare and difficult to find they couldn't find it on a map, but it has like a police force and clearly it imports gasoline and machine partner debt to you. Which is island we see some like stock footage of an island and this is. I think from my internet research, this is Kaya Aurora, which is nicknamed Gilligan's Island. It's not because Gilligan was honored or it was filmed there, but that's just the name it has. So that's funny. Anyway, I can't love that. So then we, of course, we get a doctor, Dr. Billidou, Billidou, and his lovely daughter, Jeannie, or Jeannie, and we're about to find out. But This isn't where we're going to get a movie where the scientist or doctor has a son instead of a beautiful daughter of marriageable age. Yeah, we'll see. I'm skeptical, but I did want to include this, not because it has had anything to do with the movie, and because it's such a bad pickup line, it's like torture, and I wanted to torture you for seconds. If you can play, let's clip six. What part of heaven did you fly out of? hit the harris, I've read some of your books, and I only hope you're more original in person. So there you go, that's, that's clearly not up there with the slide that Chesia over here Lasy, but shoot that Chesia over there Lasy. Yes. Yeah, so I wouldn't go so far as to say that this isn't, that Harris isn't interesting Protagonist. No. However, he has a little bit more texture to him as a character than the vast majority of movies that this is just retraining. Yeah. Because he's kind of like a selfish, like womanizing kind of like it's not a jerk but like you know he's he's just kind of full of himself and you can tell he uses these pickup lines on every woman he comes across and I you know give me if we got to have a like boring white protagonist at least give him some character traits I can kind of react to it right yes exactly and I do I did appreciate that Jeannie or Jeannie They fall in love in the end, but yeah, yes. Well, so everybody has dinner is very old fashioned. They all get dressed for dinner and have dinner at this doctor scientist house. There's a lot of things that go back and forth here at one point. Some zombies come and try to kidnap genie slash genie. It gets rescued. They come back to the house. This act is all about just sort of setting up the island. and what the stakes are. So I'm just going to sort of jump to the end of X2 where they tell us what the stakes are. Yeah. The tribe believed that the sacrifice of the young blonde girl had saved the boy's life. Now I know the descendants of that tribe of the natives on this island. They were brought here by the slave trade centuries ago. You mean to tell me that the natives on this island today still believe they can avoid a catastrophe by sacrificing a young blonde virgin in this case, Janine? Ha ha, it's Janine! I was right. Yes. I can't have indicated. Thank you. Thank you guys. So that's the plot of the movie. Yeah. This movie, like this is an hour and a half long movie and I can't even really think of much else to say about it because this is our fault, but we have seen this movie like 25 times. Yeah. And it's got to be a follows every beat of every movie where white people go to an island and get entangled with a local video call. Yeah, all the characters are there, the plot twists are the same. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm being a little down on this one. No, it's all right. You know, like everything you expect. The housekeeper is actually part of the voodoo. She's a powerful voodoo sorceress. Like, they eventually find the ceremony and the woods. They disguise themselves going to the ceremony, like, so many things that we've seen. There is this lovely underground lab where the doctor is turning snake venom. And he's using it to turn people into zombies. And we don't really know why, because he came here to cure cancer. We get an answer right near the end, but there's a big fight. Everybody runs away. Their playing gets blown up. They have to get on a boat. and they barely escape. I did want to, there's this bizarre turn at the end where the doctor tells them what the real plot is, which is not hinted at all throughout the film. And I kind of wanted to play that too because I'm like, what? Please? Yeah, please. Like, what? Where are they like? We just found out that is 20 seconds from the end of the movie. You are told the plot of the film, I guess. And all you knew is the Charles Bentley. You just found out 20 seconds before that Charles Bentley, who is the constable, who would rescue them at the beginning, was the new master. Yeah. So the fact that he had a plot at all is new to us and that he was trying to build an interstructural army is also new to us. Yeah. So. At that point, a little more is clarified, because I didn't understand why, like you say, Dr. Billidoo was making zombies. And he admits at the end, does he die at the end? Yes. Okay, that's the idea. He confesses that he started using humans as guinea pigs for his attempts to care cancer, but then Bentley found out and forced him to help his plan to make zombies. So I don't No, I think what Happero is he was using human tests and it didn't cure cancer instead. Oh, I got them into zombies. And then Bentley goes, aha, I can use that to take over the world. How is he going to get him off the island? That's just what I want to know. It's been established. There's not a lot of ways off this thing. But anyway. Yeah. Anyway, there's one great thing in the final battle, which is Tom Schitz's zombie in the chest with a flare gun and a maximum effect. Yeah, that was, I mean, it's not violent. Yeah. Yeah, and I, I, I've complained on this podcast in elsewhere that modern CGI sort of takes the grit and bite out of films and can be kind of boring. So I don't want to shock anybody when I say this explosion and the island collapsing into the sea is the worst special effect we've seen except for perhaps the plant monster in, uh, one of the island movies. I can't even remember. Yeah, but uh and I could use some CGI because you know what what's at least they went for. They did go for it. We're going to destroy an island and they actually went for it. It's hokey, but it they went for it. It's paper machine and we're going to blows up like bits of paper come from raining down. I think that movie was video island that had the cheesy plants on it. So, like, I think so. Yes. I've something to put on our little serial killer bulletin board, connecting a connection. So let's talk about the zombies, because there are zombies in this, and they are, yes. I wouldn't say they're very great zombies, but they are, you know, an attempt to do a vintage zombies. So tell us what they look like, John. So they have these giant eyes, this eye makeup, and then like their face is sort of And that's really the only indication that they have big bug guys like press that big bug boldness eyes right and what does it remind you of uh it reminds me of Cara for uh that way back and I locked it with us all right I look at that and I said they must have been influenced by by that. And care for looked way cooler though, I have to say. And in care for was also in zombies on Broadway. So that zombie was twice. So that's two opportunities for Delteni to have seen. That's obvious. And I'm wonder if. I don't really wonder, I'm just, it's curious to me that this movie would exist in 1960, whatever, but I guess this movie is very behind the times of other zombie films. Like, night at the living dead is three years old when this came out. No, well, tech when it was released, technically this move was made before that. That's a good point. But yes, just who thought that this would be the movie to release in the early 70s alongside a movie that is also not very good, but well, I'll get it to it in final judgments. in a completely different way. It's not very good. Well, so to answer your question, Andy, the producer bought this film for $40,000. Okay. And so he could clearly make his money back by pairing it way. Yeah. I drink your blood. And it was just a way to get people to show it for two movies. All right, guys, I have I actually have a couple trivia questions for you based on this movie because I sense we're getting towards the end of it. Oh, let's do it. Ian, I hear skin, Janine claims at one point that a gun in placement was built on Voodoo Island during the war. True or false? Yes. The US fortified Caribbean Islands during World War II. I'm going to say true. How's it true? Yeah, it's true. The US massively fortified the Caribbean, fearing that Germany would use the former French Caribbean islands as forward bases, and they also feared that Netherlands owned islands would, with oil refineries on them, would become vulnerable after the Netherlands fell. So, All right, secondly, what is needed for a small propeller plane to take off from a sandy beach? This is going to be multiple choice, okay? Because there is escape plan is to take off in a propeller plane from a sandy beach, remember? Yeah, there's no way that it's possible. Like it needs a smooth firm surface. You got to wait any answer to the questions, John. OK. Here are your options. What is needed for a small propeller plane to take off from a sandy beach? A, oversized tundra tires, B, hard packed wet sand. C, STOL short takeoff and landing modifications to change the shape of the wing's front edge. D, and oversized high horsepower engine equipped with large fine pitch propellers. E heroic grit or F all of the above. I say it's everything. I say it's the wet sand. It is all the above because I think it does take a little hero grit to take off, uh, but in other words, I realize they were in an emergency and they didn't have a lot of choice, but that plane in this movie was not going to take off from the sandy beach in the fact that it flips straight into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, John, any course thoughts on this before we get to our wrap-up questions? No, let's go for it. Oh, no, I got one. Oh, John. All right. When discussing this film, you did not bring up the unsung hero of the film. And that is in Rico who are beginning the film. He's the chauffeur who picks them up from the hotel in the Rolls Royce. They get to the airport. He then is the pilot who pilots the plane to the island. That's right. And then they get to the house. And when the couple wants to get loaded and get drunk, he's behind the bar making them drinks. didn't realize he was doing all of that. The same guy and then at the end when they're trying to take off in the plane, he's the only one in the plane when it blows up because Azambi's walking towards a plane with a box of explosives and when he hits a propeller, it all blows up in Rico's one who died. Yeah, you know what? I'm sorry I didn't mention that because it is the best process. Is this our first zombie as a suicide bomber? I think it might be. I think we should mark it down. He's carrying a big black box label with explosives, even though they speak Spanish on this island. And would walk throwing explosives into from palliard with that cause and explosion? I get to call, but I don't know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't bet money that it wouldn't blow up if I were next to it. No. Yeah. Right. I wouldn't do it. Correct. Okay. Well, questions for the ages. Listeners write us in with your answers to the propeller and explosive questions. And if you have any rabies facts that we got wrong, we'd John would like to hear that address it to him. You'll notice I didn't say anything about the James Bond movie that Brad Rodder brought up. I just kept my mouth shut. So we said we said address that. What are you referring to? You've got to think about live and let die, right? And I just didn't say anything because I think you just want to say that you, I've learned my lesson facts. Yeah. I've learned my lesson that I don't really know anything about James Bond movies. So it's like a humbling moment and humbling but important moment in your hero's journey, John. You, you thank you. You, yeah, realize that you don't know whatever. You have the knowledge of what you don't know. All right, guys, we got to wrap these guys up. So I don't think, these are such different movies. I think we got to ask our questions about each separately, but we'll kind of go through them fairly. Okay. So let's start with I drink your blood. The first one, the 1971 grind house exploitation one. And I drink your blood, John, is there a hero party? Yes. Who is it? It's the little boy, his sister, grandpa, and Andy is a member of it for a while. He's the friendly cultist, and even though he's a jerk, and he does get killed. He is like trying to help them escape for much of the movie. Yes, he is. And how does the party do? Not so great. Everybody but Pete and Sylvia. Yeah, he did. And a couple of them by becoming, quote, zombified, right? Or at least one of them by becoming zombified. Yeah, and Grandpa by being stuck with a pitch forward. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that we forgot to mention that, but, uh, okay. There was just so much else going on in that movie. Is there a zombie hoard, and I drink your blood? Yeah, rabbit construction workers. It's a pretty good hoard. Yeah, I think what we've learned is that 20 days later did not invent the fast moving zombie. where you see them running away into the background, you see this swarm, you know, of maybe 10 zombie sprinting madly after them and it's pretty scary on that like, I don't think they're going to get away. But then they always something to a river is how they always escape that situation. Yes, this town is surrounded by one. Yes, uh, how are zombies destroyed or killed in a drinker blood? actually, since they're really rabid humans, you can just shoot them. Yes. Or you can also spray them with water and they freak out. But that's right. Yeah, you can drive them off. That's like a vein in the way that fire has been a vein of zombies and past movies we've seen. How, let's see, what type of zombie strain are we dealing with with these rabid humans? They're, I mean, they're infected zombies, so it's taking the, I don't know of rabies as a virus or a bacteria, but it's, it's taking the rabies and blowing it up to 10, you know, like in 28 days later, there's the rage virus, like they essentially took the rabies and turned it into the rage virus. So they're, they're, they're not unlike. the zombies from 28 days later, who I think we've established aren't maybe dead. No, I don't. I don't think they're dead at all. So yeah, so I think it's important. We should probably, if we aren't already, we should probably know whether the zombies are dead or not when we flag the zombie types. Yes, can the zombies return to being human? No, yeah, because once rabies is that advanced, you have no luck. Exactly. All right. Let's quickly go through the pillars of the zombie genre that you identified. And I drink the egg blood. Is there an apocalypse? Not really, though. This town is apocalyptic in the sense that the town is dying. So I'll say no, but it's sort of a desperate situation. Yeah. Is there a contagion? Yes, yep, way too much can take. Yeah, definitely. Over-conditioned little too good to get you. Yeah. Yeah, they're tough moral choices. Not in the way that I meant everybody just makes bad moral choice. Yeah, I don't. So I think anyone has like a tough choice to make. It's usually pretty clear, you know, usually the choice is just like we got to get out of here or fight to defend themselves. And that's not a tough choice. Yeah. Well, lastly, are there loved ones turning against you? Yeah, milledroid, right at the end turns against her lover boy who looks by the way, but like Brandon Roth, Ralph, my the only one who saw that, the guy who played Superman before. Oh, interesting. I can see that. Okay, guys, I'm going to pivot over to I eat your skin, we're going to ask these same questions. I eat your skin is that traditional people go to the Voodoo Island movie and I eat your skin. Is there a hero party? There is. It's Tom Harris, the fair child's and the doctor and his lovely daughter, Jenny. How'd say this is an Enrico? Enrico and Enrico. Yeah. I said this is a pretty traditional hero party. All right. How does the party do? How many survive? most of them, except for the doctor. And in Enrico dies. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is there? Well, can we take a moment, Mr. Fairchild, if you notice, to me, he looked like Kyle McLaughlin. He did. He did. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Okay. Tell us about the zombies in i.e. your skin, John. What kind of strain are we dealing with? We're dealing with a very old school voodoo style zombie. However, there is a scientific medical intervention. It's a little complex because science is used to distill the venom, but it's a naturally occurring venom. Yeah. So it's, but they're like classic voodoo stuff. Yeah, I don't think there's anything there's some science involved. I don't think there's anything mystical about the creation, right? No, no, I don't think there is. Is there a zombie hoard? Yeah. Yeah, they get chased at the end by a horde of Zambis. How are zombies destroyed or killed? Uh, they're not because at one point they shoot them. They, they, they several times they show people shooting zombies and nothing happening. Can these zombies return to being human? No, they're dead zombies. They're super dead. And they now they have bug guys. That's what I don't see how you come back. Yeah, that's a difficult. That's going to require extensive surgery. Yeah. So I don't actually know if these zombies are dead or not, John, because I think they're dead. So we see some of the doctors patients getting injected with the zombie serum, are those like cadavers? ah, maybe not. I think the problem is they were test subjects and it killed them. Okay. And then it brought them back as zombies. All right. I buy that. Yeah. I think they feel like they're probably supposed to be dead. I feel like they're dead. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can shoot them and not even blood comes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Yeah. That's a good point. Okay. All right. John, how many of your pillars are we going to find in this one? Starting with in i.e. your skin. Is there an apocalypse? Not really, though the iron blows up at the end, but that's not what we meant by apocalypse. Right, so. Is there contagion? No, you have to get turned into a zombie by the doctor who has a sudden turn realizing it's a horrible idea in the last 30 seconds of the movie. It also doesn't scale very well if he's trying... No, no. No, no. To create an army to take over the world. But yeah, maybe they'll find a way to mass-produce this. Is there, are there tough moral choices And no, not really, everybody acts the way you expect them to. I think the only person who's in kind of a morally tough situation is the doctor, I guess, because he's being sort of pressure. Yeah, but it wasn't really morally tough. Right. Yeah. Okay, and does this movie feature loved one's turning against you? No, I don't think so. One point, she says he has one friend on the island, a young man, he gets turned into a zombie, but then we can't have never seen him. Oh, yeah, we didn't mention him, because he wasn't very important. But, right. Okay, then, all right, we have some traditional closing questions before we do. John, I'm just curious. Well, so here is a general observation about watching these two movies back to back. Yeah, I thought that I drink your blood was a pretty dire movie that I didn't especially enjoy watching. However, agree, watching it, especially in conjunction with IE or skin, it felt like something new and exciting, right? Um, yes. It's no, it's not even anywhere in the same league as night of the living dead, but it has that thrill of like this movie might do something to surprise or shock me in it. You know what I mean? Yes. And that you haven't seen people running around with access and swords and like, There seem to be genuine like what is that what is rather going to do now that he's rabid with an ax right exactly and There is you know that fear that something scary is going to happen There's a little bit of that in this movie or at least I'm more like a fear of something grows something grows right But there's like yeah, and that is something you don't feel even for a second watching I eat your skin, right? No. So no. So I guess my closing question is for you, John, is have you found any of these movies scary? Like, think back across the zombie strains, episodes we've done? Have there been movies that that scared you or unnerved you? And was I drink your blood? One of them? There have been movies that scared me, a little bit, a carnival of souls, had a little scary action going on. And there are a few others that have to think really, I mean, night-a-living, that's kind of an obvious one. I think that's pretty scary. Yeah, I think there's a scene, and I walked with a zombie where they're like in the cornfield, and they run into carafor that is shot in such an engaging way that it was a little tense and scary. the the plague of the zombies when the when yes I can't remember her name when she came out of the earth Alice yes so I guess that was what I'm getting so yes I've been scared no not by this yeah what I'm getting at is that the you know I eat your skin style movies it just this feels very played out and I don't know how you would be scary with that concept at least for a couple decades you know but this more chaotic horror of the I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to watching more of it, but it is a little bit of like you can see why this would have been more exciting to watch. So yes, it's transgressive, which is so I'm going to get to our final closing questions, but I do actually have one last trivia question. All right, this is mostly for John, but you know, Brad, you can weigh in if you want. What should happen to producer Brad because he made us watch these two movies? Hey, should he be skeletonized like the undead in plan 9 from outer space? B, should he be pushed into a sub-sub-sub-basement full of cannibalistic zombies, like in power in the night? C, should he be devoured by the giant plant from woman eater? Or D, should he be pulled under the swamp by zombie lila, like in revenge of the zombies? Oh, um, I kind of like, uh, Brad, I want your death to be memorable. So I'm going to say pulled into the swamp by zombie lila. How would you choose to go out Brad? Well, my first question is This punishment covers these crimes and future crimes, so I can't be punished again for future 70s films. Oh, yeah, maybe I'm Yeah, I'm shooting my bolt a little early here on this. Yeah, well find other ways to hold you accountable, Brad. I'll I'll go on the seller via Bella. Oh, go see. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. Valerie at midnight Okay, so that means it's time to wrap up with our traditional closing questions and John I'll ask these once, but you know, answer for each of these two separate movies because our answers might be different for them. John, yes. Would you and I survive in the zombie world of I drink your blood and would we do any worse or better in the zombie world of IE or skin? Um, I feel like we would die in, I drink your blood because everybody does, you know, like, like if we, if we didn't, like I feel like we're too good to get zombified, like the construction workers, but those construction workers were probably killer. Yeah, if like all of your neighbors were going crazy and running around with weapons, like that's probably pretty bad news, I'd say. And if the only source of food in the town is that big way to meet pots, like we'd get scurvy. So yeah, there's no way we live. Is the is the town turning into ghost town? Because it's about to get flooded by the dam, by the way. I think that's what they're saying. By the way, in the movie, they refer to the dam as that dam dam. That dam dam. that's some good script writing. All right. All right. John is I drink your blood a zombie movie or a movie with zombies. It's a movie with zombies. And how do you do you answer for I eat your skin? it's a zombie movie because the real horror in i drink your blood is actually the hippies yeah to start with you know what i mean the the zombies are sort of incidental at the end i was actually going through it like can i get bread a hard time but the fact that there's no zombies in this movie but then there were so if if there weren't any zombies the cult could still be a scary menace that goes through town killing everyone and it wouldn't really cringe that Yes, it's just that the rabies is a bonus is the way I think I will say that when people discuss this online they refer to the hippies as zombies. Oh, interesting. That becomes zombies later, but I know the beginning. I also was thinking about confronting Brad about these not being zombies, but then I remember that like 28 days later, which is a great zombie movie, it has the same type essentially, and so I add to show up. Yeah. Okay, lastly, John, do you recommend I drink your blood first to a general audience and then to an audience of zombie loving listeners and then how would you answer about IE or skin? Or maybe, or do you think these must have reviewed together at the same time? So I'm gonna, this is an easy answer. It's so it's not everything. Yes. However, if you're curious and have never seen a greenhouse film, Like, I don't think you should, but if you are curious, you could watch, I drink your blood, because it is like a, it is like a sign post of where we're headed in a way that I eat your skin is now. Yeah. I agree, no, a solid, no across the board for me on both of these films. I do, you know, I do acknowledge that I do think I drink your blood is an interesting film. I didn't enjoy watching it, and I don't think most of you listening to this will either, but it's like a cultural artifact. I do have a feeling we're going to get better. better grind house films not better and you know what I mean by better films that like embody the grind house thing but with maybe a little bit more um technical skill lean in a bit right right now these films are called classics um they were both shown at a drive-in in Pennsylvania where people drove from around the country to go see it in Los Angeles, the new Beverly theater that's owned by Quentin Tarantino. He has shown them and it draws a crowd. So there isn't a traction for these phones. You know, one thing I noticed when I forgot to mention at the beginning. So on IMDB, this I drink your blood or I eat your skin. You've got a 3.6 rating. There is a remake from 2019. And that got a 3.7 rating. So, you know, okay. Yeah, I forgot too much. I'm actually quite curious, but I'm also happy waiting a few decades to get to that one. Okay, well then, with that, all said and done, it's time for the scariest part of the episode, and that's where producer Brad reveals to us what John and I will be watching next. Here's the trailer for our next film. Oh, human zombies rise on their coffins as living corpses in blood of ghastly horror. Ringo, we craft, transforms, beautiful women into thousands here all the money. Joe Cori died. John Careton is a mighty fellow of law. I can't believe it. It's true. Joe's last days were spent as a hunted. Oh my god. See a doctor in business action. What are the shrimps saying for exponent and create a new human thing? Who commits a shocking and brutal? Okay, that sounds pretty amazing, producer Brad. I have questions that I hope will be answered next week. Yes, uh, human zombies rise from their coffins as living corpses blood of ghastly horror. Is this our last John caretting? Every time I think it is, he pops up again. But no, I know he's in one at least in from 1980 or so. Yeah, I just like he'll be back. Imagine he smokes like seven packs of cigarettes a day. And just the fact that he's still alive is stunning. So, John, I have to say that does not mean you should smoke. No, I don't. I quit smoking. So, yeah, so this is just poster. We've got a pretty darly looking zombie. It looks almost like a seaweed zombie. The way he's kind of, Drooping it looks like it looks like something from EC account. Yes, it does. Yes. It's a drawing. It's like a comic book drawing from EC comics is what it looks. And then there's a guy looks like he's about he's trying to punch someone who's climbing out of a coffin and a Yeah, he entirely clad woman who is fainting in front of the zombie so So everything we need is this all right here is John is this going to be more like do you think this is going to be more like I drink your blood or more like I your skin I think it's going to be more like a drink, all right, we'll find out, I guess. I will say it was made in the 60s and that release of all of them, all right. And you should, did you see all the names and the credits? There's one name that may or may not jump out at you. I did not. Tommy Kirk is in this and he was one of the original Mouse Gettiers and then I'm not about. Oh, how the mighty, I want to see his actors too. Yeah, actors who have to slum it late in their careers. I have a complicated feelings about because I feel bad for them. And also it's a little bit. Yeah. So, yes. So, I want to see that William Shattner impulse movie now. Yes, he had. When he plays the killer from 19th century. Yeah, Bill was on hard times. The first decade after Star Trek before he got re- discovered his TJ Hooker. So, and the first Star Trek movie. I bet he couldn't have been happier about Star Trek. The motion picture of the host. We'll see you next episode 4, Blood of Gasly Horror! You've been listening to zombie strains. We'll be back next episode to talk about another zombie movie. If you enjoyed our podcast, please take a moment to rate us in your podcast Apple Choice. Tell a friend, follow us on Instagram at ZombieStrains. All of this helps like-minded people find the show. See you next time.