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[SPEAKER_04]: No.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think people like like that in pictures.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do they call them zombies or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zombie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does zombie?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just what is a zombie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will a zombie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a... the building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The living dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a living dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the zombies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The zombie is zombies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because a zombie has no will of his own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong?

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[UNKNOWN]: My...

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[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to zombies trains.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The podcast where we talk where we watch all the zombie movies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm John.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Andy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm Brad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hello producer, Brad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we've got a, we've got, this is a season two episode one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And we have entered the nineteen fifties.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel, so our movie today is not a movie exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is a compilation of a republic cereal called zombies of the stratosphere from nineteen fifties.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it was shown, and we'll let producer Brad explain this a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it was shown in movie theaters.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We watched a compiled version of the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I just have to say Andy, like jumping from the nineteen to forty eight to nineteen fifty two really does feel like a completely different world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was the wildest jump from movie to movie that we've done yet, I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Andy, you are you are piloting a rocket ship this week.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But, um, where do we want to start with this movie?

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's it's fascinating on so many levels.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, uh, my brain was sort of reeling after my brain got really bored of the repetition.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was also reeling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we usually start by talking about trigger content warnings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really know anything that listeners need to be too concerned about in this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How about you?

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[SPEAKER_05]: This movie is so cautious, it won't even say the name of the agencies these people work for or the city they live in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think we're pretty safe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not true.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It mentioned who Larry works for.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to Google it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but I didn't feel like it was mentioned in it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The interplanetary control.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have a thought, yes, I do remember that now because it made me think of something else, which I'll bring up when we get there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't think we need to warn anyone of anything other than the fact that though delightful in many ways, it is a little repetitive.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's our trigger warning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Delightful, is that okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I look forward to being convinced there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Brad, do you want to give us the rundown on how this was made and who is behind it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Zombies of the Stratosphere is a republic cereal that was released on June, sixteenth, nineteen, fifty-two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a gap of six years since our last true zombie film Valley of the Zombies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Serials stories told over series of short films, first started in Europe in nineteen oh eight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The first US cereals started in nineteen twelve, magazines and newspapers invested in film cereals to promote their printed ones and by the late nineteen thirties there were three studios producing cereals, universal Columbia and republic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Republic released four cereals a year.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Republic's last cereal was King of the Carnival in nineteen fifty five making zombies of the stratosphere one of the last.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the big movies from nineteen fifty two are the greatest show in earth.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I knew the quiet man and singing in the rain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There were very few horror films in nineteen fifty two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They include the ghost ship, the black castle, and a lagoce film vampire over London.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, zombies of the stratosphere is the third of four republic cereals featuring a rocket man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The first was King of the Rocket Man from nineteen forty nine followed by radar man from the moon nineteen fifty two.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am just out of curiosity on to be where I watch this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They recommended both of those immediately following this and they both use the same rocket man outfit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I will get into that later because I use the same special effects people throughout all the republic cereals.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh ha zombies of the stratosphere was the third and commander Cody Sky Marshal the universe was the fourth so John what's the better and more exciting title for your action movie hero commander Cody Sky Marshal of the universe or

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[SPEAKER_03]: What we get in this movie, Larry Martin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna have to go with Commander Cody's guy, Marshall of the universe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I understand the complicated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Larry Martin feels like a placeholder name, like while they brainstormed what the real hero name would be.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then they just didn't get around to it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was crazier as the serial before this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: which was, um, radar men from the moon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The character was Commander Cody played by George Wallace.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This comes out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Larry Martin played by Judd Holdren.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The next one is Judd Holdren playing Commander Cody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this movie, they removed that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't use the Commander Cody name for some strange reason.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There must have been some sort of legal reason.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Unexplained.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's all the same company, the same writers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't stop this from being a rip-roaring thrill ride.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So,

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[SPEAKER_04]: No.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the serial was directed by Fred Brandon, who had a brief but prolific career.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He started directing in nineteen forty five and had thirty a credits between forty five and nineteen fifty three.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All our western films and cereals for Republic and he died in nineteen fifty three.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ronald Davidson wrote zombies of the stratosphere and single-handedly wrote almost all of the Republic's cereals of the fifties.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He knew the Republic library so well that he could write stories using previously film footage to save money.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And what was one of the other cereals he wrote to produce a bread?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that was my next line.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a writer on the Captain America's cereal that we keep encountering.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And later in his career, he wrote unlawful space and voyage to the bottom of the sea.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was a lost and space kid.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it, Joe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The special effects were by Howard and Theodore Lydecker.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were under contract to Republic from nineteen thirty five until the mid-fifties.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They first created the Flying Rocket Man Effect in nineteen forty one for the cereal, the adventures of Captain Marvel.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They made a seven-foot tall paper-machay figure that weighed fifteen pounds and was hung on a wire and slid across the camera's view.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought actually looked pretty good in this film.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it did.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It only sort of to wear a little bit once you realized he was in the same pose.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly every single time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, overall the special effects were pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the problem being that they just repeated the same special effects shots over and over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It saves money.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had to have to be convinced that the rocket special effects could be described as quote unquote good Both brothers were nominated for an Oscar for best visual effects in nineteen forty one and Howard again in nineteen forty three

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[SPEAKER_04]: Judd Holdren stars as Larry Martin, a member of the Interplanetary Patrol.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Previously, he starred in the Captain Video Master of the Stratosphere, Serial.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In nineteen fifty-three, starred as Commander Cody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In Commander Cody, Sky Marshall, the universe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: A lean town placed Sue Davis.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Town was in three of the Rockman Serials, King of the Rockman Zombies, and Commander Cody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: she acted into the nineteen eighties, and her last acting credits were eight as enough than credible Hulk and airwolf.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, airwolf.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This next little tip is for both of you I believe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Wilson Wood plays the sidekick Bob.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was also in radar men from the moon, singing in the rain, jailhouse rock, and Easter parade.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But Wilson was born Charles Woodrow token.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What?

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[SPEAKER_04]: His family wrote a letter to JR R. Tolkien in the Fiftries, wondering if they were related.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Tolkien wrote back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: With details of his genealogy and the assumption that the families were related.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm sure you both know that famous photo of Tolkien where he's got, he's spoken the pipe outdoors with, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Woodrow recreated that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Look at that nose and those ears.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they look a lot alike.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'll put this in the show notes for everyone to see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, listeners, you gotta go to the show notes and check this out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just to look at like it could be because they staged it so well, but it's clearly before like you could do any sort of editing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the smile.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They have the same smile.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They have the same smile, yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The wrinkles around the eyes, everything's eerie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Also, in the cast, we have the Republic robot, or robot should be calling robot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The Republic robot first appeared in Undersea Kingdom in nineteen thirty six and was created by the Lydecker brothers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was upgraded and looks for mysterious Dr. Satan and zombies of the stratosphere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So just to be clear, this is the upgraded version of the robot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the better one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And when it was used in mysterious doctors Satan, which I don't have the year in front of me, the director was unhappy that they didn't have time or money to fix it because he thought it looked like a hot water heater.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I wrote in my notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a basement water heater.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the director was not happy, but he was stuck with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In nineteen fifty eight, the serial was edited into a seventy minute feature called Staten Satellites and released as a double feature with missile monsters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was also colorized in the nineties for TV.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can we add missile monsters to the list of movies to watch for our next podcast, which is about just about movies with interesting names like pillow of death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So when you hear the title, I don't know what this movie is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What are you imagining?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm imagining monsters that are actually missiles as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're like transformer monster missiles.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And how I gotta look it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to say, so we'll get into this when we start discussing this, but going by the titles that they give the chapters or the episodes of this, these title makers are the biggest liars in all of cinema history for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't have any faith that missile monsters has monsters or missiles in it on the basis of this one that we're about to discuss.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So hey, Brad, would people go to theaters to watch one episode of this at a time?

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were released weekly and you would go to the theater, you would see a cartoon, you would see a serial or two, and then you'd see your feature.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so these are like bonus sort of bonus content.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And at this point, like TV is pretty widespread, but it's not everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think, you know, as a little kid, like, I mean, that's great incentive, like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Mom, can I have another nickel?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I want to go see the next installment of zombies of the stratosphere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so hey, let's pause for a minute and talk historical context.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the nineteen fifties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John and I have a lot of fondness for the fifties as an era.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they'll try to restrain ourselves, but there is a lot going on, and but if you are interested,

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[SPEAKER_05]: more.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to do about a thirty forty five minute bonus episode that's going to be released alongside this one called the nineteen fifties uh... where we'll talk a little good we'll do a deeper dive into the historical context because it is a fascinating and complicated time and we're going to do that in the context of cinema and the zombie movie but but there's a lot of historical stuff we want to bring it so

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the things happening in the nineteen fifties are a really really rich vein for zombie movies to mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope that we're going to see that in a lot of the films we watch in the coming weeks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm very curious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so but what was specifically going on when this this serial came out in nineteen fifty two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, a lot going on the today show premiered on NBC.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Science throughout this decade is just rocketing into sci-fi territory.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have the first use of a mechanical heart with a human patient, the first open heart surgery.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Across the pond, Elizabeth becomes Queen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here in the US, we have what is sometimes considered the first big rock and roll show, Moon dog coronation in Cleveland, Ohio.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the background radiation, if you will, of this era, is the red scare in the atomic projects.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So at this time, the red scare is well underway, a lot of paranoia about what the Russians are doing, a lot of fear that the Russians are going to surpass us in different ways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And more specifically, this is the year, nineteen fifty two that we developed the H bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was a source of great consternation during its long development, a lot of disagreement among scientists and politicians about whether we should develop the H bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mentioned that here because this serial uses the threat of an and H bomb, one of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, presents us as an existential threat to the entire planet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that reflects the kind of uncertainty about just how awful the H bomb might be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So do you have any thoughts on that, John?

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[SPEAKER_05]: So when the United States detonated Adam bombs in Japan,

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[SPEAKER_05]: in nineteen forty five I think it was pretty terrifying but there was some people who thought well this is our technology will keep it and there's two things here first of all the Russians quickly developed in atomic bomb they detonated their first bomb just a few years before this movie nineteen forty nine additionally they were really helped by stolen technology from spies so so those themes are all over this thing

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, in fact, in nineteen forty nine, the if the hbom is one of those ripped from the headlines thing that shows up in this movie, the other is I think a reference to the clouds fuchs atomic secrets case, which is in nineteen forty nine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was actually an hbom scientist who was passing atomic research to the Soviets.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is very blatantly present in this serial hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK, that's what I've got for history.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John, let's do a quick second look at the movie poster for our listeners.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a good poster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're listening, take a second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Check our show notes or go Google this because it's a fun one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John, can you just describe the poster for us?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this poster absolutely rules.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it says zombies and big red letters in a font that we've become very used to.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is of the stratosphere.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then it has illustrations of like the zombie light creatures.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Jumping around there's a robot with an axe that our hero who is dressed in a rocket pack costume is shooting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's two giant rocket ships flying through the air like like it's just sci-fi all the way and it's just brightly colored and it's clearly designed to appeal to like children basically like if you're a twelve-year-old who wants to

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[SPEAKER_05]: admire a big action here, this is your movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am enormously fond of the water heater robot wielding an ass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, the robot wielding the ass really doesn't get much better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's a that poster is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So John give us the thirty second pitch of describing what happens in this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so a rocket ship lands on the earth and there are three aliens in it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: These are the titular zombies, though they don't, they don't refer to themselves as Martians, but they say they are from Mars.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They land on Earth and they have a plan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to recruit an American doctor to help them, detonate an H bomb to throw the Earth out of its orbit and then they're going to detonate some bombs on Mars and they're going to put Mars in Earth's orbit so they can have better weather.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, as up to Larry Martin and his team to stop them,

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the way he does that primarily is by following the bad guys around and trying to see where they go and then getting killed in the cliffhanger ending, but what we find out at the beginning of that following episode, he actually lived.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the end is them confronting the zombies crashing their spaceship and Larry cuts the wires to the edge bomb does not go off at the last second.

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[SPEAKER_05]: and the earth is saved.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is that a good enough summary?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do we want to talk now or in our wrap up about the word zombie and how it is used?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because let's do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You want to talk now?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I kind of want to talk about this movie broadly in the following way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure why the word zombies here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: These guys are clearly Martians.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They are aliens with an alien plot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the big jump here, and we'll talk about this more in the wrap-up, is we have jumped from sort of like a mystical spiritual scary horror milieu, like if we take for example, Valley of the Zombies or even, you know, I've been Custella Meet Frankenstein.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're still talking mad scientists and magic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We have jumped and we are two feet landed in the middle of science fiction here, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like we're not doing any of that zombie stuff anymore.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's interesting that they chose to call them zombies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: because they're clearly not mindless, they're not, they can control themselves.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't turn other people to zombies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They do use the word zombie in the movie, though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, what are your thoughts on this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the zombies in this movie are so unlike any of the zombies we've seen in the thirties or forties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wondered if there had been some sort of like a last minute script change or something that recasts these as

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[SPEAKER_03]: As I don't know, that receipts as Martians instead of zombies or the other way around because I'm just fascinated that they use the word zombies when I don't think anyone watching this would look at the Martians and say that looks like a zombie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think they might have green face paint.

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[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, the way they address the dress like medieval executioners.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, like they have like the skull cap with like the little little frill around the neck and they have like a studded leather belt and except for they have sparkles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, this actually was a movie that really made me wish I could have seen it in color because just I wanted to

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[SPEAKER_03]: the Martian outfits and the rocket ships.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just have to imagine they were really garrishly colored and I think that would have added a lot of visual excitement.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So in the colorized version, their skin is green.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the rocket ship is red.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you don't get there from the black and white.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No.

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[SPEAKER_05]: By the way, shout out, watch this on Tobi.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Good job, Tobi.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think it was the best version out there too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I watched that on YouTube, which was horrible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the Tobi version was good quality.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so here's how we're going to do this Brad and John.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is two and a half hours of serial adventures.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is twelve episodes or chapters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're not going to walk through this movie's plot beat by beat like we have done in some other movies, partly because it all of these chapters are just so repetitive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am going to give just a one sentence plot summary of each episode, John and Brad, or each chapter, and then let's take a quick minute just to see what we have to say if we jot it down anything note where the about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'll have more to say about the first couple of chapters here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then once it starts getting pretty repetitive, I'm not going to have that much to say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So listeners, we'll try to keep moving briskly through this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So here, let's take this first chapter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the longest of the chapters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It comes in about twenty-ish minutes or twenty somewhere in that vicinity, whereas most of them are, I think, about thirteen, fourteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And let's talk about this one a little more detail because it provides the template that the rest of these chapters are going to follow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So chapter one, it's titled the zombie vanguard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's one sentence overview.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Martians are planning to detonate an H bomb to knock Earth out of orbit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Mars can move into Earth's orbit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: unless the interplanetary patrol can stop them from gathering the pieces needed to build that bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, as we're going to learn this, for the next two and a half fish hours, this exciting plot will revolve entirely around the logistics of the Martians trying to source rocket or bomb parts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, I have a comment to say about that, but we've got, so I have two long clips, okay?

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[SPEAKER_05]: and they're both in this first episode, but they sort of lay the whole thing out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So why don't we listen to the first one now?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and this will be the unidentified aircraft one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The unidentified aircraft is now less than fifty miles off the coast, and still on a course, which will bring it close to this city.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there time to intercept it with your rocket?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, at the rate that ship is traveling, it'll be out of radar range before we get off the ground.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it lands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then ground offensive will handle the bomb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless Mr. Steel thinks we can help.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Larry, I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the duty of my department.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The handle-all matters, medicine, and world security.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're one of my executives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We realize that your work has usually been in the interplanetary zone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In this case, I think you want to take charge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Both on land and in the air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose the regular defense network has already been alerted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're standing by and obviously by the ship's going to do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, first off, I think Larry should have taken, should not have volunteered to handle this on his own.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What he's got right now is just Bob.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's Larry and Bob and they're going to battle all the aliens in their henchmen for the next two and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can I just say that at the end of all of this, I had I could not name or distinguish any of the men on the interplanetary patrol.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only one who was distinguishable was Larry and that's because he's the one that wears the rocket jet pack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So two things on that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, there's a fist fight and we're the later chapters and there's the two goons in Larry and Bob and everyone's fist fighting and I literally could not tell you who is hitting who or what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_05]: or I just, they were all wearing fedores and shoots and I just had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but let's talk about this rocket back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the pattern that all these episodes will follow is they learn about a problem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Usually they detect that the Martians are doing something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then typically Larry will put on his rocket pack and fly out to investigate slash stop the Martians.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There will be some kind of action scene.

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[SPEAKER_03]: sometimes his colleagues from interplanetary patrol get involved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gail eggs or just just but I guess shoe does join.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And typically they end with like the bad guys kind of mostly getting away and then on some kind of click cliffhanger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So why don't we talk about what it's like when Larry suits up?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So John, do you want to do the honors of describing Larry's rocket man costume here?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so so this is kind of amazing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I want to preface this because I think we're going to run into a lot of this, particularly in this first episode, and then less as we go on, like as I'm watching this, so this is nineteen fifty two.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You all of us here that are recording this podcast grew up in the seventies, eighties, early nineties, and the filmmakers that made us fall in love with movies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Robert, Samakas, and even fiction writers that we love, Stephen King, right, are all boomers, and they all grew up at this time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And as I was watching this first episode, I was like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's where they got that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's where they got that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like this, this was like imagination fuel for an entire generation of filmmakers.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And it felt like it was all right here in front of us.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did you feel that way too?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this first episode had all of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like, yeah, we are watching the blueprint for Indiana Jones and James Bond and the Rocketeer and a million other things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's the first thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This costume, which is which you originally asked me about.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a leather pilots jacket.

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[SPEAKER_05]: cinched it the waist with a big rocket pack on the back and a metal helmet with eye and and mouth holes cut out and it it's literally the inspiration for the rocket here right like I can't think of another way to say it if you haven't seen the rocket here it's amazing and clearly based on this rocket outfit

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it looks exactly the rocket here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If the rocket's here wore the dumbest-looking helmet that is possible to wear.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the weak spot of this costume, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because the leather jacket is kind of long and cinched the waist and he's got like a pistol and like it's all kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's got cool boots on and then the helmet is completely dorky, but maybe it looked cool at the time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll I'll imagine that this rocket costume was upgraded from previous ones and that it had the radio that clicked on the front belt that big lunchbox.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, nice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was new for this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He has that Darth Vader style chest computer like dials and knobs on his chest plate and he did you notice the way he it has the worst altitude controls because the upper down you have to turn a knob like which he would not be able to see with that helmet up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like yeah

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[SPEAKER_04]: and they're labeled up or down.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and they're labeled like, wait, was it the left one of the right ones down?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it would be bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he always takes off, though, he takes this big running leap onto a springboard or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they cut to some, some much repeded footage of him flying through the air or that, that model that they made sailing across on a wire.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want memory this sparked from me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like so first of all, I don't know how much do you tell you want to go into, but there's a truck chase here where he's fighting some guys in a truck right out of Raiders to the lost.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like all kinds of stuff, but you know what the first childhood memory adventure TV show that came to mind when I watched this?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Ultraman and the science patrol.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that's because he's flying through the air.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He looks like Ultra Man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's this group of scientists who are running around solving problems.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, the science patrol had way better outfits, but other than that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if that's an inspiration here, but that's it just jumped into my mind when we were watching this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I want to wrap up our chapter one discussion here, and so we can keep the pace moving here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I just want to say, so there is more kind of packed into this first chapter than in the following ones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk quickly about our bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a couple of Martians, maybe three of them that we see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of them is Leonard Nemoy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, we have a clip of we have a clip later.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What I believe is Leonard, this is his debut, and I believe it is the first

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[SPEAKER_05]: words he uttered and and we're displayed on film from our debut here a little anymore and they will move you to tears just just to spoil it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But not to ruin it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was in two movies that came out before that within a month or two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So which was shot first, which came out first, which is this debut?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, still it's in my heart.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is the first one that counts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, let's get to the bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got one bad guy clip, but let's let's lay it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the Martians are led by a the top Martian is named Marx.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he is dressed in that sort of medieval looking outfit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He has a, he is not a scenery chewing villain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is like a very business like Stern, you know, like organizer.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He will be with a real chin in my question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder that too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He will be with us all the way to the very end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And John, did you have anything you wanted to say about him?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, he's sort of, I think the reason he would be scary is he sort of represents

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[SPEAKER_05]: not to be too philosophical but like cool bureaucratic calculation right like he's scary because he has a mission he's going to care it out in a very sort of forensic way and just if somebody gets in his way he's like well we have to be eliminated let's eliminate them you know like yeah he does not care yeah he's emotionless i have to confess i i was a little disappointed he was not just like hamming it up big times like some of the mad scientist and other villains we've seen and movies but um

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the Martians are not really numerous enough to do this on their own.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So actually, I would say the bulk of the antagonists that Larry and the patrol face throughout this serial are the Martian's human collaborators who are just kind of, you know, thugs and suits and fedoras pretty much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, rough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And what's the other one's name?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, and one of their collaborators is a scientist, the one I think is a reference to, Clown's Fuchs, who has a lab, who is helping the Martians actually build the H-bomb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Marex has to convince Dr. Herding to help him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So Marex just walks into Dr. Herding's office and they have this exchange.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And why do you think I'm going to help you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm in a position to inform your government that you've been selling atomic secrets to an unfriendly foreign power, the results of such an exposure would be much more unpleasant for you than the alternative I'm allowing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this project you're planning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The orbit of our planet Mars is so far from the sun that climatic and atmospheric conditions there are much inferior to those on Earth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in spite of these physical handicaps, my people have developed a means of correcting the situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mean you can change the orbit of a planet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, to accomplish that, we must first clear the orbit of Earth's interference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my mission here is to plan an H-parm explosion sufficiently strong to send Earth's spinning out from the space, and leave room for my own planet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the plot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There it is indeed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think we need to talk about this chapter anymore unless you have anything else to say, John, but I do have two quick questions for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So in the main action scene in this episode is when Larry flies in and lands on the bad guys truck and has a very Indiana Jones style fight, incredibly Indiana Jones by the West.

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[SPEAKER_03]: fight and how it here's my two questions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How excited were you when you saw that the vehicle Larry uses to chase down the Martian truck is a tank that was parked at the train station.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then my second question is can you identify with that tankless?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I recognized it as the tank.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I cannot tell you what that tank was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: which is funny because I could recognize the airplane they used later, but that's another story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a tanket.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mini, it's a cute little miniature tank.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They built these in between World War I and World War II as a way to kind of, in World War I, they hadn't really figured out how to use tanks effectively on the battlefield and they, this was an attempt to

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[SPEAKER_03]: By introducing these cute little zippy miniature tanks that only one or two people could fit in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were hoping to add some, I guess, maneuverability and defensibility to those big, lumbering world war two, behemoth tanks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were phased out partly because they were very outclassed once World War II broke out by everything else on the battlefield.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And a stiff wind could blow them over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, I have to imagine the main reason that was it is impossible to retain any dignity while driving this goofy looking thing around.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The things that bring around with Larry's little face poking out of it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Larry's.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do want to, but none of you mentioned that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do want to say one thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Most of these episodes start with either the heroes of the villains.

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[SPEAKER_05]: employing some new exciting technology to to help solve a problem whether it's Larry's rocket pack or this little mini tank or two different submarines or.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, all kinds of stuff, but there's a lot of like technology forward to solve problems kind of plots in this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The idea of moving planets reminds you of any other plots or stories.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My first thought went to a wild storm comic from the early two thousand semester majestic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember the comic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: where I can't remember what the threat was, but there were some alien coming, and so Mr. Majestic disguised our planet system by rearranging the planets.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had forgotten about that one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The trope of the earth orbit getting knocked a little skew and causing some sort of global crisis like an ice age or something like that is actually a trope that will pop up later in some horror movies and thrillers, although I don't really think that's a very zombie feeling trope.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think, well, we'll get to it at the end.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Or are we seeing the first hints of

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[SPEAKER_05]: of stories that contain them in apocalypse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to move us along guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to spend that much time on the rest of these chapters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I promise.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So chapter two titles are worth it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter two battle of the rockets and go ahead and put the word battle in quotes because the battle is two rockets flying around and one of them

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[SPEAKER_03]: takes one shot at the other rocket and then at other rocket retreats.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you were imagining a Star Wars style dogfight, that is not what you get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just have a couple of notes on this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the Martians plan all of these episodes begin with them detecting a different way that the Martians are trying to smuggle bomb parts to their hidden base.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So in this case, the Martians are using their rocket ship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So for a couple of episodes, the patrol is going to try and shut down that rocket ship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's going to force the Martians to resort to ever-dumber ways of transporting their bomb parts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love that Larry Martin gets on his rocket ship.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What he does is he has the rocket ship take off with the flunky who's flying it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: and then he meets it in the air and climbs aboard, but he like slams into the side of it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm worried, like Larry, this is not a good reputable process.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You could just get on the rocket before it takes up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this is, it's not the first time he chooses to board the rocket that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's at least one of these episodes there, like, are you getting come with us?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, I'll get on my rocket suit and meet you up in the air and board the rocket then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, why don't you just walk with me and climb into the rocket?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's next door.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have just a couple things here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, they sure love their rocket ship footage, and this is where I realize we are going to be in for a lot of repeated, repeating special effects shots.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there is a boat chase scene in this episode that is pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it is incredibly foreshadowing of all of all the boat chases you've ever seen in like a James Bond movie or Indiana Jones last year said I really well watching this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I I wonder if like Spielberg actually had this specific cereal in mind with the way

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[SPEAKER_03]: He framed some of those action sequences.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds crazy to say it because it's so incompetently done in this and so professionally done by Spielberg, but the similarity is remarkable.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my last comment is, so the cliffhanger on this one is at the very end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who is the good guy who's driving the boat?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Larry?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Larry?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, the bad guys come up and they throw like a harpoon at a boat hook.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a pointed boat.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, and I just thought they throw it like a harpoon like overhand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They do and although he pretends that he has just been absolutely impaled by it balances off of him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really funny.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's a later moment where

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's climbing out of the water.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, water cave and one of the films throws his gun at him and it hits him like in the shoulder and he's like, ah, he like falls backwards.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think Larry Larry's not a pressing me is what.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't have anything else for this chapter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you John?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On to chapter three, under sea agents, and this is another lie of a title because I don't think anyone goes under the water in this one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Andy, just when you thought it couldn't get more boring than watching rockets chase each other around, we have people walking really slowly underwater repeatedly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where this is coming from.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this requires description.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Martian's base has two rooms that are inexplicably connected by an underwater tunnel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this show is convinced that nothing is more interesting than long, long shots.

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[SPEAKER_03]: of the Martians walking through the water from one of these rooms to the other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't overstate how many times we have to watch someone move at a snail's pace through the water eternal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what you're talking about?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And further at the beginning of every episode, they run the same, I could have had the same intro and

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[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a sequence of somebody walking underwater really slow between the two ladders.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I did wonder how they were doing the underwater scenes because I think they were underwater.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looked an awful lot like they were genuinely underwater, but they had to have some sort of breathing apparatus for some of these scenes, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm be curious because they were just really doing a good job of hiding.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because famously, like when technology improved a little bit, they would do underwater scenes that weren't underwater, like in the Roger Moore James Bond movies, there's just smoke and people moving slowly and fans and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's blown air.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, anyway, the folks we should talk about Larry's underwater gear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What was he wearing?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Every time he goes underwater.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he doesn't go in his suit, thank God.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He takes off his shirt and tie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he keeps on his trousers and shoes, and he wears his dresses.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think this is risk A for nineteen fifty-two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't give us the summary of chapter three is the Martians and their collaborators Barrow like literally Barrow a submarine from the Russians.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not identified as the power.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Identified as a hostile enemy power to smuggle parts or their H bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the action on this one is that I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a Russian submarine that's delivering them H bomb parts or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing I wanted to mention is that so the action scene is here the heroes are like racing around on the surface of the water and there's a toy submarine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We see footage of a toy submarine under the water.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the Russians.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And nothing really comes of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I tried to figure out from scenery like where this is supposed to be taking place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we're supposed to imagine this is the open ocean off the west coast since this clearly takes place in Southern California.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it just looked an awful lot to me like there was a Russian submarine in Lake Tahoe or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, nothing else noteworthy that I'd not jot it down on this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there is something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, here is where I first noted, I would like to hear your thoughts on this John.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The gun fights in this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there are gun fights constantly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are super boring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Am I right about that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, two things about them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, well, three things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're super boring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: However, people have learned to shoot a gun in a way that isn't dumb, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they aim.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they're not holding it next to their body.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And three I've never seen so many misses since I watched the a team.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like they couldn't hit the side of a barn except for the one time they shoot Larry's air hose when he's underwater.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and for they run out of bullets and they do that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so yeah, I had the same thought like that same sense of they are getting a better grasp of what

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[SPEAKER_03]: guns like a gunfight looks like, but they haven't figured out how to make those fights interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, because every gunfight plays out like this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The two sides just take cover behind something and then you get alternating shots of them emerging from cover and shooting and no one ever hits anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You hear that loud ricochet sound after like, eighty five percent of the shots, which it may be laugh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that filmmakers or at least these guys have not figured out

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's ostensibly a dangerous situation to be in a gun fight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you would think there would be stakes, but you don't feel those stakes when no one ever gets hit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And when everyone spends the whole fight just like standing in place behind cover.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a little weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To their credit, this is a problem in a lot of modern movies too, I think, that gun fights seem like they would be high stakes, but it actually takes skill, I think, to make a gun fight interesting to watch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, onto chapter four guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter four is excitingly called contraband cargo.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and this next chapter and this thrilling tale of Martian smuggling logistics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Martians are now smuggling their H-bomb parts via airplane and evil cowboys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Our heroes do what they do best, which is to tail the bad guys for a while and then let most of them escape.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John, did you have any thoughts about this episode?

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is Larry's entire plan in every episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I'll follow them and maybe I'll find out their base and the thing is he gets to their base in the third episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He just doesn't know it's their base and he can't figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't understand that all, yeah, it's very beautiful doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where I started to notice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So somewhat paradoxically, these chapters are all like thirteen minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you would think that time is at a premium.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, these episodes are filled with a startling amount of what I would call filler shots.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like these long shots of like when somebody walks walks off the scene, the camera follows them while they slowly walk to their car and open the door and get in and start the engine and drive down the driveway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to imagine it was just a

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[SPEAKER_03]: different ideas about filmmaking there, but there's a lot of just ways to have time and yet none of it is spent giving you character moments or like character building exchanges or dialogues or jokes or gags or things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so this is in conjunction with thinking about how much filler there was that didn't add to my enjoyment of this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I also realize like there's

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[SPEAKER_03]: that what people are doing here could only only barely be called acting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And also like, or any of them married, do they have children?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do they?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do they eat when they?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone is just delivering their lines in a tone of heroic urgency.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nobody has a different personality than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody, everyone just has this, the bad guys behave exactly the same way all of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the good guys do the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, maybe watching this in thirteen minute chunks, it would have been a different experience.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But watching it all through, this is at the point here in chapter four and later where this started to feel like a real drag.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it is because there's just not any life to it beyond these repetitive actions.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like Larry tells them these two thugs think they killed him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they think they killed him more than blowfeld thinks he's killed James Bond like just over and over.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we got him.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We got him again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: However, I do have one thing in episode four because this is where the sort of A bomb paranoia comes in.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm pretty sure this is chapter four.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If not, people you'll have to forgive me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: However, if you watch the whole thing and correct me, I mean, I'll be really impressed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but they return from whatever latest plan they had to try to track down the bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And after discovering some of the equipment that they've been trying to smuggle in, they have this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's my guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's some enemy powers preparing to build a bombs right here in this country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then use them here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: afraid that may be it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's use every means we can to stop.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Mr. Steel, for your urgent instructions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And every line of dialogue is delivered in that exact same tone and, uh, and, uh, and, and.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like this is absolutely terrifying.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Somebody's building an A bomb in the US and would explode it and they're like, well, we should do everything we can to stop and don't you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we should.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just have two little quick notes on this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John, then we can move on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First, I laughed out loud because at towards the end of this, Larry throws a bomber grenade or something and it explodes the bad guys airplane.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then one of them turns the other and says, well, there won't be much fight left in that crew.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's because you just killed the right fire explosion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that might be part of the

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[SPEAKER_05]: part of the restriction is, but you know, these are targeted children.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they don't want to kill people.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I now I do have a note on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The airplane is a beachcraft model late.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listeners know that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And lastly, if you have your Indiana Jones checklist here, this episode has a minecart case where the hero is get finds himself in a minecart and goes flying around and the cliffhanger actually is that

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[SPEAKER_03]: you think he has flown off, because all of these minecart tracks and at the edge of cliffs, you think he has flown off a cliff in a minecart, but he hasn't actually, okay, on to chapter five, oh, oh, this is, this is maybe the, well, I don't know, exciting is not the word, but chapter five, the iron execution.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is to a way better name than the robot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We made out of a hot water heater.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So my description for this one is short of cash for their H bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Martians build a robot to rob a bank.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What happens?

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's so much about this robot that is hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, it's indestructible.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yet one man can carry it under his arm and tuck it into the back seat of his car.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like lightweight and super powered and they do rob a bank with it, which is also amazing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As we have mentioned, once or twice before with our with our forties zombie movies, they just haven't figured out that things are scarier when they move a little fast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this robot moves at about the pace of a zombie.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's the most zombie like thing in this movie is the way the slow most on stack later later in the

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be a lot of this robot from here on out, but in one of the last chapters, there is actually a chase scene where the robot is chasing two characters and they have to keep pausing because they get too far ahead of it and wait for it to catch it, then act scared and run a little ways ahead of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it seems like such an obvious thing, why don't you just make a robot suit that can move it like a jogging pace or something?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't wait for the first movie where the zombie or the supernatural threat actually seems like it could catch you if you were trying to avoid.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have a question for you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So they control the robot remotely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Did this feel like something to you?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because it sure felt like something to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it felt like drone control.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but today, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but more I was thinking it was like playing a video game.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they're remotely controlling this character and I felt like they were playing a video game for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See, I didn't have that instinct because I was too annoyed because any time they do this, the little view screen that the bad guys are using shows of you that they can't possibly be seeing unless they have, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to, I got to stop myself for, I won't stop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to think about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter six, murder mine back to the mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, half of these episodes take place in the mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I wrote, more shenanigans in the mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Martians carry out an incredibly convoluted plan to reactivate the robot, which has been brought back to the good guys headquarters.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sure you are referring to the robot.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Also, I think you need to call the mind the bat cave because that's what Leonard Emoid does at the end of the book.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it does actually calls it the bat cave.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_05]: So just to explain it like we're kind of glossing over the plot, but just to be clear, there's an entrance to the mine, and in the mine, in the entrance, there's a ladder that goes down underwater, and then you walk twenty feet, and there's another ladder that goes up into another place.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And in this other place, that's where the Martians are hanging out, listening in to all the conversation, hanging in near the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the regular people A, don't know the Martians are there and B, don't know they're listening to them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So like that is the key way that the Mart, sorry, the zombies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: know what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're a huge percentage of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The good guys are in one cave in this mine and the zombies Martians are twenty feet away listening to them in the hidden part and they don't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They know connections are made until the final chapter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So my only notes for murder mine are that there's like an actually okay underwater knife fight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah in this episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the big action sequence is that the robot gets reactivated and it starts rampaging around the interplanetary patrols base, which is just like a completely generic looking office building.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think half this movie's budget was used on

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[SPEAKER_03]: easy break chairs that they managed to say they break about five hundred chairs over the robot here's a thing that works me just one all of these yeah all of these movies where there's this unstoppable threat in this case the robot okay it has been

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[SPEAKER_03]: repeatedly shown that gunshots do not hurt the road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they shoot the robot so much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Modern movies do not escape this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't watch Terminator two without getting annoyed at how much time they spend shooting it a Terminator that has been repeatedly shown to not be hurt in any way shape or form by bullets.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But here everybody's go to response to the robot is to shoot at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It never works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they do kind of defeat it with the chairs because they push it into something like an open electrical junction box that's just sitting there in the office.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anything else about murder mine there, John?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a good one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter seven, death on the waterfront.

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[SPEAKER_03]: More tales of the Martians sourcing bomb parts involving the return of the Russian submarine we saw in earlier episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think this is the episode that has the the fist fight between the four people and I can't tell who's who throughout the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: The only one you can tell is Sue, because she's chained to a boat anchor that gets dropped into the water.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the cliffhanger on this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's funny that you mentioned that there's a big fist fight on the waterfront that John is referring to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you can't tell who anyone is because they all look identical.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I actually noted, this is one of the only action scenes that felt dynamic and kind of thrilling to me because they were moving around and they looked like they were trying to hit each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it had a sort of chaos feel to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that none of the other action scenes, which have all been very static have had.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter eight, I did not understand the literal meaning of this chapter title, hostage for a murder.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think they were referring to the fact that they took shoe hostage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But for murder, what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like two murder.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to murder my hostage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think they just wanted to work the word murdering.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My description here is the Martians had just came to steal a shipment of uranium.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the last things they need for their H bomb.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is like their third try.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can we be clear about that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They capture Martin and use him to get into the good guy headquarters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they they capture him because he flies he's like going to attack their trap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he flies into the back of it and like knocks and stuns himself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't even do it and then they just instantly capture well no he he sticks his gun through the like the window in the back and says you know pull over and they go okay and they drive the truck crazy and he falls over and gets knocked okay maybe I'm a little mixed up but then they use them to like get into the yes headquarters of the patrol and there's a fight and

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[SPEAKER_03]: then we move on to chapter nine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This has a good title to the human torpedo.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but there was no human torpedo.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was a little disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I bet that's what happened with the missile monsters or the monster missiles or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's why I don't trust missile monster in any way because this is a lie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In this one, I just wrote the humorous, try to track the bad guys to their secret hideout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If that's a very vague sounding description, it's because my brain was starting to... Can we pause here and shut down?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Say my favorite thing about the beginning of every chapter titles.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not only do we get like three minutes of a rehash at the end of the previous episode, where they show something happened that we hadn't seen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like in the mind-cart Larry, in the redo, he jumps out of it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But

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[SPEAKER_05]: they give these section summaries to like bring you up to speed and they show these like stiff wooden-looking portraits of the main characters involved like grimacing at the camera like there's smiling like their mother is forcing them to smile for for their grandma or something and it just cracked me up every time to see Larry like me like I had to begin with these guys so it's so good I had a note on this so

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this is a general film thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to think of our other films we've watched where there was a car chase scene, but for sure these filmmakers, they have not figured out how to believeably film somebody who is supposed to be driving a car because yeah, there are these long stretches where the car will be driving down a road that's mostly straight and the driver will be wildly whipping the steering wheel from left to right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to know what year movies figure out how to

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[SPEAKER_03]: How do drive cars better?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just as an aside to feel they figured out there's great driving stunts in bond but you feel like making it look like bond is driving I don't feel like they figured that out until like Roger Moore.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's surprisingly I think yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just noted on this one that there is an incredibly Indiana Jones boat chase sequence and yep

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[SPEAKER_03]: chapter nine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it includes like somebody pulling a boat up next to another one while they're both going at full speed and like jumping across from one boat to the other for a fist fight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that felt like like that's fight in, uh, in Indiana Jones of Alaska is like exactly that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you have anything else before we move on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there is a crazy thing coming in the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a small thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For as plotting and slow as these chapters have been, can you imagine if Dr. Harding wasn't here?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because every time the Martians need something, hey, we need a detonator.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Dr. Harding goes, I know a guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, we need uranium.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I know a guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so there's no searching.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He just makes a call for keywords, everything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everything you'll need.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the other option is you could make it like an interesting

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[SPEAKER_05]: difficult thing they have to figure out rather than just do the same repeated action, but that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I forgot to mention something from one of the earlier episodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked to every episode and with a cliffhanger and then in the opening minute of the next following of the following chapter, you learn how the character did not really actually die, but and

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[SPEAKER_03]: there's one in one of these episodes I forget which Larry is down swimming around in that underwater tunnel that we've seen so much and a bomb explodes right next to him okay and so that's the cliffhanger ending of that chapter right oh my gosh there's there seems to be no way you could have survived and the filmmakers also couldn't figure out how he survived because in the next episode starts Larry just surfaces and and his his little

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sidekick is like, hey, what was that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Larry goes, uh, yeah, there was a bomb down there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's like the extent of the explanation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just the way he got out of it was the bomb just didn't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, believe it or not, we are closing in on the end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this was a regular feature in these cereals, but it wasn't there usually an episode towards the end that would recap everything that has come to date.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that is what chapter ten, the flying gas chamber.

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[SPEAKER_03]: of a very bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm a very bizarre title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did that in the recap episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it starts with the heroes talking to each other and they, one of them literally says to the other, let's recap what's happened so far.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we get a lot of just footage from previous episodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to lie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I took this as my excuse to skip this whole episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So did they sneak anything in that was not a rerun?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not really.

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[SPEAKER_05]: One of the things they reran, we didn't mention earlier, but I'll say it's my favorite bit because it looked like it was in a Zuckerbrothers movie like Top Secret or something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: In an early episode, when they steal the train to steal the uranium, they cut the signal to the next station.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they go up to the signal wires and they're like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: a foot apart and they've been caught and they're just sort of hanging there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I go, no, they've cut the wire.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can you fix it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just gonna take a while.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just, I was like, what?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they replayed that for it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was reminded.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm absolutely that was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not everyone can be, you know, Scotty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought of.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, you know, Nemois here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We can use James doing and they would capture these guys in chapter two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Andy, I think the answer to your question about whether you missed anything is other than the first and last chapter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you didn't see a chapter, would you have missed anything?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What other affected during joining of the story?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, the answer is no because there is not really much of a story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a sequence of action scenes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the most.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think you can miss a chapter to and just be just fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's probably written that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I, you know, comic books and stuff do this well, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they, they're always

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[SPEAKER_03]: aware that people are coming in at any issue or any chapter, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that works well here because these are all just extremely self-contained little action sequences, right?

59:59.645 --> 01:00:04.807

[SPEAKER_03]: They just have to remind you every known and what the Martians master plan is, and that's really all the story development.

01:00:04.907 --> 01:00:05.287

[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

01:00:06.067 --> 01:00:09.889

[SPEAKER_03]: But listeners, we are down to our final two thrilling episodes.

01:00:10.769 --> 01:00:16.131

[SPEAKER_03]: Chapter eleven, the penultimate episode, is titled Man versus Monster.

01:00:16.231 --> 01:00:16.551

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:00:16.851 --> 01:00:21.293

[SPEAKER_03]: In this episode, the Martians are tired of the zombie.

01:00:21.753 --> 01:00:22.553

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.

01:00:22.593 --> 01:00:27.815

[SPEAKER_03]: The zombies are tired of Larry just shutting down all of their logistical transport.

01:00:28.735 --> 01:00:34.199

[SPEAKER_03]: So they had just came to shoot down Larry's rocket ship so that he won't be able to interfere with their rocket ship.

01:00:35.359 --> 01:00:40.223

[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I just noted that this is all motivated by just the logistics of supply.

01:00:40.283 --> 01:00:43.785

[SPEAKER_03]: Larry's rocket ship is just messing with their bomb supply routes, basically.

01:00:44.446 --> 01:00:50.970

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the episode where the heroes do figure out that Dr. Harding is in on the scheme and that the Martians are working

01:00:51.922 --> 01:00:53.663

[SPEAKER_03]: that he is helping them build an A-bomb.

01:00:54.043 --> 01:00:56.825

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have anything else down for this episode, John, you.

01:00:57.085 --> 01:00:57.486

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't.

01:00:57.606 --> 01:01:01.648

[SPEAKER_05]: And actually, we have two clips in the last episode, so I'm kind of eager to get to it.

01:01:01.968 --> 01:01:02.349

[SPEAKER_03]: Exciting.

01:01:03.389 --> 01:01:03.649

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:01:03.689 --> 01:01:07.532

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in the final episode, it has a great title.

01:01:07.952 --> 01:01:10.794

[SPEAKER_03]: This is chapter twelve, Tomb of the Traders.

01:01:10.994 --> 01:01:11.394

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:01:12.675 --> 01:01:15.477

[SPEAKER_03]: And in this one, the Martian bomb is ready.

01:01:16.436 --> 01:01:29.645

[SPEAKER_03]: and you know that it's the question the Martians are trying to get off of earth before it explodes and flies out of orbit and Larry and his team are flying around trying to stop that from happening.

01:01:29.745 --> 01:01:30.165

[SPEAKER_03]: So yes.

01:01:31.046 --> 01:01:34.308

[SPEAKER_03]: John, what did you have to say or to share from this?

01:01:34.348 --> 01:01:38.010

[SPEAKER_05]: There's only one thing I want to say which is the zombies rocket crashes.

01:01:38.831 --> 01:01:44.514

[SPEAKER_05]: One of the zombies stumbles out survives and I believe it's Larry that could have been Bob runs over to him and

01:01:46.208 --> 01:01:47.930

[SPEAKER_05]: They have this exchange.

01:01:50.292 --> 01:01:50.972

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the others.

01:01:52.534 --> 01:01:53.415

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're all dead.

01:01:54.355 --> 01:01:55.677

[SPEAKER_01]: You're pretty bad cheap yourself.

01:01:56.557 --> 01:01:58.019

[SPEAKER_01]: Take it easy and I'll hold for an ambulance.

01:01:59.500 --> 01:02:00.721

[SPEAKER_01]: First you must stop the bomb.

01:02:01.382 --> 01:02:01.922

[SPEAKER_01]: What bomb?

01:02:02.983 --> 01:02:03.784

[SPEAKER_01]: In the bat cave.

01:02:04.805 --> 01:02:05.706

[SPEAKER_01]: Through the water tunnel.

01:02:06.286 --> 01:02:07.207

[SPEAKER_01]: It'll blow up soon.

01:02:07.848 --> 01:02:08.969

[SPEAKER_01]: Destroy the whole world.

01:02:09.169 --> 01:02:10.030

[SPEAKER_01]: How can I get in there?

01:02:10.730 --> 01:02:12.031

[SPEAKER_05]: So I play that for two reasons.

01:02:12.192 --> 01:02:12.452

[SPEAKER_05]: One is...

01:02:13.114 --> 01:02:14.415

[SPEAKER_05]: It is an apocalyptic scenario.

01:02:14.435 --> 01:02:16.496

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to make that clear, but more.

01:02:16.597 --> 01:02:17.937

[SPEAKER_05]: Why did I want to play that, Andy?

01:02:18.358 --> 01:02:19.358

[SPEAKER_05]: Because that is Leonard.

01:02:20.059 --> 01:02:21.780

[SPEAKER_03]: He more and nineteen fifty two.

01:02:23.181 --> 01:02:23.762

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so far.

01:02:23.822 --> 01:02:24.122

[SPEAKER_03]: It is.

01:02:24.422 --> 01:02:32.968

[SPEAKER_03]: So is he regretting his plan or is he just does he just not want to be on earth when the H bomb goes off?

01:02:33.108 --> 01:02:35.910

[SPEAKER_05]: I get the sense he was regretting his plan.

01:02:36.571 --> 01:02:37.651

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how you took it.

01:02:37.952 --> 01:02:38.452

[SPEAKER_05]: And actually,

01:02:39.478 --> 01:02:41.119

[SPEAKER_05]: You're coming about the style of acting.

01:02:41.359 --> 01:02:46.900

[SPEAKER_05]: That's like the most emotional any character is in this entire serial.

01:02:47.261 --> 01:02:54.003

[SPEAKER_03]: By far and how ironic coming from the guy who's going to play Spock, you know, who's signature is that he's not very emotional.

01:02:54.263 --> 01:02:54.823

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:02:55.103 --> 01:02:59.804

[SPEAKER_05]: So Larry stops the bomb and then they all get back together at Larry's office.

01:03:00.505 --> 01:03:07.907

[SPEAKER_05]: And we have to play this last clip because they're talking about Leonard Nemoy's character and they use the one word we've been waiting for this home movie.

01:03:09.088 --> 01:03:12.470

[SPEAKER_02]: That's obvious a pair of chance of recovery, but he's still too weak to talk.

01:03:12.931 --> 01:03:13.571

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that's it.

01:03:15.452 --> 01:03:15.832

[SPEAKER_05]: That's it.

01:03:16.473 --> 01:03:17.173

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a zombie movie.

01:03:17.233 --> 01:03:17.754

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a zombie movie.

01:03:17.774 --> 01:03:19.695

[SPEAKER_05]: We're now three minutes before the end of it.

01:03:20.155 --> 01:03:21.977

[SPEAKER_03]: So two hour and get you seven minute run.

01:03:22.973 --> 01:03:28.956

[SPEAKER_03]: To be clear, the word zombie appears in the title of this whole serial and in the title of the first chapter.

01:03:29.056 --> 01:03:31.817

[SPEAKER_03]: But no character says the word zombie until now.

01:03:31.837 --> 01:03:32.317

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that right?

01:03:32.357 --> 01:03:32.958

[SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.

01:03:33.478 --> 01:03:34.639

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a wrap.

01:03:34.839 --> 01:03:35.839

[SPEAKER_03]: The world is saved.

01:03:36.259 --> 01:03:36.620

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:41.402

[SPEAKER_03]: And we are done discussing this movie.

01:03:41.422 --> 01:03:41.682

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:03:42.142 --> 01:03:44.723

[SPEAKER_05]: Like we've been slagging it and we said it's not a zombie movie.

01:03:45.344 --> 01:03:49.005

[SPEAKER_05]: But can we point to a lot of the things that I think point us towards the zombie movie?

01:03:49.406 --> 01:03:49.546

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:03:49.626 --> 01:03:52.027

[SPEAKER_05]: Like let's go through the questions because I think there's stuff here

01:03:52.973 --> 01:03:55.321

[SPEAKER_05]: that is pointing us the way we want to go.

01:03:56.298 --> 01:03:57.018

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.

01:03:57.198 --> 01:03:59.699

[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we have been knocking on this movie.

01:04:00.439 --> 01:04:01.540

[SPEAKER_03]: I found it pretty rough to watch.

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:06.221

[SPEAKER_03]: But so we've talked before that this kind of two joys are doing this podcast, John.

01:04:06.401 --> 01:04:09.062

[SPEAKER_03]: One is, of course, seeing the evolution of the zombie genre.

01:04:09.082 --> 01:04:09.242

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:04:09.462 --> 01:04:14.044

[SPEAKER_03]: But that unexpected bonus surprise was we're getting to watch the evolution of film.

01:04:14.084 --> 01:04:14.344

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:04:14.464 --> 01:04:14.704

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:04:15.264 --> 01:04:21.186

[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt like this movie has relatively little to say about the zombie genre evolution.

01:04:21.226 --> 01:04:24.648

[SPEAKER_03]: But it actually has quite a bit of stuff about where film is going to go.

01:04:24.688 --> 01:04:24.968

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:04:25.168 --> 01:04:25.908

[SPEAKER_05]: I agree completely.

01:04:25.928 --> 01:04:27.508

[SPEAKER_03]: So let's go through our questions.

01:04:27.568 --> 01:04:32.369

[SPEAKER_03]: They aren't gonna apply real strictly to this because it's not really a zombie movie.

01:04:32.849 --> 01:04:35.090

[SPEAKER_03]: But let's go through these and see what we have to say.

01:04:35.170 --> 01:04:37.210

[SPEAKER_03]: So John, is there a hero party in this?

01:04:37.230 --> 01:04:37.590

[SPEAKER_05]: There is.

01:04:37.650 --> 01:04:44.012

[SPEAKER_05]: There's like a, there's like a super team and the super hero by Larry Martin and they're like a party of heroes that have to save the world.

01:04:44.272 --> 01:04:45.632

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and how does the party do?

01:04:45.692 --> 01:04:46.452

[SPEAKER_03]: How many survive?

01:04:46.892 --> 01:04:47.972

[SPEAKER_05]: They all survive.

01:04:48.773 --> 01:04:50.333

[SPEAKER_05]: But Larry gets beat up a lot.

01:04:50.915 --> 01:04:53.016

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like maybe they should pick as their next hero.

01:04:53.056 --> 01:04:54.336

[SPEAKER_05]: Somebody can fight a little better.

01:04:54.356 --> 01:04:56.838

[SPEAKER_05]: Just a thought, but yes, they also arrive.

01:04:57.198 --> 01:04:57.358

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

01:04:58.118 --> 01:05:01.379

[SPEAKER_03]: They do, but yeah, but they are all all of them are put in danger.

01:05:01.820 --> 01:05:07.362

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like the amount of punishment Larry takes in this thing like pre-sages Indiana Jones who sort of stick.

01:05:07.922 --> 01:05:11.925

[SPEAKER_05]: is that it gets the heck beaten out of him every movie until he's like barely in one piece.

01:05:12.266 --> 01:05:14.347

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I, you know, make concussions.

01:05:14.428 --> 01:05:14.928

[SPEAKER_04]: Larry got.

01:05:15.188 --> 01:05:17.630

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thirteen thirteen chapters.

01:05:17.690 --> 01:05:19.031

[SPEAKER_04]: They're thinking everyone ends up.

01:05:19.051 --> 01:05:19.612

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:05:20.292 --> 01:05:21.834

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, wow, because of the thirteen.

01:05:21.854 --> 01:05:24.056

[SPEAKER_03]: I wondered about that specifically.

01:05:24.236 --> 01:05:30.101

[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's, you know, a thin line between they're just not writing a very good action hero and

01:05:31.030 --> 01:05:34.273

[SPEAKER_03]: And the Indiana Jones one where they are writing a very good action here.

01:05:34.313 --> 01:05:42.860

[SPEAKER_03]: He just happens to be kind of always taking a lot of abuse and always having to just react to disasters that he may have contributed to, right?

01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:43.220

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.863

[SPEAKER_05]: And his, I mean, Indiana Jones stick is that he's just won't quit.

01:05:47.548 --> 01:05:58.417

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I think that's what gives him his his tenet tenacity a lot like our noble hero Larry Martin who just is there a zombie hoard in this movie, John.

01:05:59.278 --> 01:06:05.163

[SPEAKER_05]: We've got three people from Mars who they call zombies who don't act very hard like so I would like to say no.

01:06:06.758 --> 01:06:08.218

[SPEAKER_05]: And then the green face paint.

01:06:08.879 --> 01:06:09.119

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:06:09.279 --> 01:06:09.459

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.279

[SPEAKER_03]: How are zombies destroyed or killed in this movie?

01:06:12.560 --> 01:06:14.000

[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I think you could just shoot one.

01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:14.560

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:15.180

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:06:15.240 --> 01:06:17.301

[SPEAKER_03]: Do they shoot any Martians?

01:06:17.701 --> 01:06:18.461

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't mean so.

01:06:18.481 --> 01:06:20.542

[SPEAKER_05]: I think they die in the ship crash.

01:06:20.842 --> 01:06:21.122

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:06:21.622 --> 01:06:27.724

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think though that they they seem like they would be vulnerable to just being shot by a gun.

01:06:28.284 --> 01:06:28.464

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:06:28.924 --> 01:06:29.184

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:06:29.724 --> 01:06:33.105

[SPEAKER_03]: What type of zombie strain are we dealing with here, John?

01:06:34.925 --> 01:06:40.429

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure we're dealing with one, except there's one important idea that I think this movie introduces.

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:47.293

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not really about zombies, but it's about the nature of the villains in the movie, which is that they are other.

01:06:47.493 --> 01:06:50.155

[SPEAKER_05]: They are outsiders, in this case, they're from Mars, right?

01:06:50.195 --> 01:07:00.001

[SPEAKER_05]: But really they're Russians, or Chinese, or whatever, but they're their communists who've come to destroy our way of life.

01:07:00.061 --> 01:07:01.121

[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

01:07:01.262 --> 01:07:01.742

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's

01:07:02.436 --> 01:07:05.297

[SPEAKER_05]: I think the big push in the fifties and we're going to see more of.

01:07:05.617 --> 01:07:05.818

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

01:07:07.278 --> 01:07:11.880

[SPEAKER_03]: And are there any, I mean, I guess there's not really any new strains of zombie here.

01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:12.641

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe there is.

01:07:12.921 --> 01:07:15.702

[SPEAKER_03]: Are there any zombie firsts that we need to call out?

01:07:17.223 --> 01:07:17.723

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

01:07:17.743 --> 01:07:24.526

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think so other than the jump to from genre from sort of mysticism to science fiction.

01:07:25.234 --> 01:07:38.552

[SPEAKER_05]: like I think the fifties is just we just jump like we missed there was some transition outside of the zombie verse that where the fifties where the forties turned into the fifties and science fiction just hit hard yeah and we kind of missed it maybe because we didn't watch any science fiction in the forties

01:07:39.349 --> 01:07:43.990

[SPEAKER_03]: because we were watching zombie movies, but yeah, but there is no mysticism whatsoever.

01:07:44.030 --> 01:07:45.291

[SPEAKER_03]: This is a science movie.

01:07:45.511 --> 01:07:47.871

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hundred percent, quote, the first alien.

01:07:47.911 --> 01:07:53.833

[SPEAKER_05]: And the first aliens, which I think we're gonna run into a lot of aliens and zombies in the next ten years too.

01:07:54.293 --> 01:07:55.794

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:07:55.894 --> 01:08:01.815

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so this is the part where we go through your four zombie pillars of the zombie genre, John.

01:08:02.235 --> 01:08:02.435

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:08:02.956 --> 01:08:07.417

[SPEAKER_03]: And we're gonna have some different answers, I think, for this one, is there an apocalypse in this movie?

01:08:08.302 --> 01:08:11.843

[SPEAKER_05]: We don't see in apocalypse, but there's a potential for a very real one.

01:08:11.863 --> 01:08:14.284

[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that might be another first, too.

01:08:14.344 --> 01:08:21.107

[SPEAKER_05]: I think with the ideas of the H bomb and the uncertainty that all brings, I think that

01:08:22.035 --> 01:08:25.596

[SPEAKER_05]: that we're starting to see movies talk about an apocalypse, which we didn't really before.

01:08:25.876 --> 01:08:33.417

[SPEAKER_05]: With the exception of revenge of the zombies, where a zombie hoard could defeat any army, we're actually talking about the end of the world, though.

01:08:33.557 --> 01:08:39.859

[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that's an important thing that is going to become pretty common going forward, although we will wait and see.

01:08:40.599 --> 01:08:42.219

[SPEAKER_03]: Is there contagion in this?

01:08:43.179 --> 01:08:44.420

[SPEAKER_05]: No, there is not.

01:08:44.580 --> 01:08:51.021

[SPEAKER_05]: The only thing that a sort of contagion asks is that you can't trust your neighbors, maybe, because I think

01:08:51.671 --> 01:08:54.272

[SPEAKER_05]: Our hero party does no doctor hurting in another context.

01:08:54.493 --> 01:08:56.534

[SPEAKER_05]: And at one point they say we should talk to doctor hurting.

01:08:56.594 --> 01:08:57.654

[SPEAKER_05]: He would know something about this.

01:08:58.335 --> 01:09:01.016

[SPEAKER_05]: As if they trust him, but it turns out he's a spy in a trader.

01:09:01.216 --> 01:09:03.077

[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that's not.

01:09:03.677 --> 01:09:09.320

[SPEAKER_04]: And Marick's also early on tells Dr. Harding your lab assistants, Shane and Roth.

01:09:09.480 --> 01:09:10.401

[SPEAKER_04]: They're on my side.

01:09:10.721 --> 01:09:12.262

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's been betrayed and doesn't know it.

01:09:12.322 --> 01:09:17.765

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, and I think, you know, we start seeing in other things like the thing from another world or body snatchers.

01:09:18.533 --> 01:09:24.176

[SPEAKER_05]: in the near future where it's all about you don't know who you can trust anymore.

01:09:24.657 --> 01:09:24.837

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:09:25.357 --> 01:09:28.099

[SPEAKER_03]: Are there tough moral choices in this movie?

01:09:28.999 --> 01:09:31.100

[SPEAKER_05]: I'd like to say yes, but I think it's no, right?

01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:39.225

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's just maybe Dr. Harding is the one example where he has, we didn't play clip of it, but he, when they ask him to help out, he's like, well,

01:09:39.946 --> 01:09:41.007

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, you got me.

01:09:41.287 --> 01:09:46.930

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like if they had been more tortured, it could have felt like a tough moral decision.

01:09:47.331 --> 01:09:47.511

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:09:48.611 --> 01:09:50.092

[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like swimming in dress shoes.

01:09:50.112 --> 01:09:53.674

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a bad moral choice, I agree.

01:09:53.855 --> 01:09:57.537

[SPEAKER_03]: And lastly, does this movie feature loved ones turning against you?

01:09:58.337 --> 01:09:59.078

[SPEAKER_03]: No, not really.

01:09:59.638 --> 01:10:02.620

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to say, I like to pin Dr. Harding here too, but I don't think so.

01:10:03.943 --> 01:10:09.606

[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so John, the last couple questions we asked are, would you and I survive in this zombie world?

01:10:10.367 --> 01:10:14.169

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I don't know because the zombies don't actually manage to kill many people.

01:10:14.309 --> 01:10:15.850

[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, our hero kills more people.

01:10:16.390 --> 01:10:17.871

[SPEAKER_05]: He sinks the submarine for God's sake.

01:10:17.971 --> 01:10:21.653

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, well, the kill count is very, very, very low.

01:10:22.233 --> 01:10:30.718

[SPEAKER_03]: So low that when at the end, when like those two henchmen are killed because they fall off a cliff, I would actually shock to they had that on screen because it was

01:10:31.724 --> 01:10:36.787

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not graphic at all, but it was by far the most graphic death that occurred in the whole show.

01:10:37.127 --> 01:10:40.229

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I hope that I could, and I hope that they would give me a rocket back.

01:10:40.469 --> 01:10:41.249

[SPEAKER_05]: That's my position.

01:10:41.650 --> 01:10:46.693

[SPEAKER_03]: See, I think as we've had with a few earlier zombie movies that involved like the mob,

01:10:47.433 --> 01:10:58.199

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't trust that I would be able to survive if, you know, this group of mobsters were after me, even though in this movie, they don't seem very good at actually killing their enemies.

01:10:58.480 --> 01:11:01.021

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was going to say that have to be better shots for me to be scared.

01:11:01.041 --> 01:11:02.682

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could escape the robot.

01:11:03.663 --> 01:11:04.803

[SPEAKER_03]: I would avoid the Martians.

01:11:06.051 --> 01:11:09.212

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't know, mobsters are always an, an ex-factor.

01:11:09.232 --> 01:11:09.392

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:11:09.572 --> 01:11:09.772

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:11:10.152 --> 01:11:13.873

[SPEAKER_03]: And so, John, do you recommend this cereal?

01:11:14.493 --> 01:11:17.854

[SPEAKER_03]: Firstly, to our Legion of zombie-loving listeners?

01:11:18.454 --> 01:11:25.917

[SPEAKER_03]: And then generally, just, I do recommend it just generally to someone who maybe doesn't love zombies as much as we do.

01:11:27.217 --> 01:11:29.678

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna have to say no to both, but with a caveat.

01:11:30.398 --> 01:11:34.259

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it would be worth your time, whether you're a zombie fan or just a movie fan,

01:11:35.022 --> 01:11:39.226

[SPEAKER_05]: especially if you're a Gen Xer to just watch the first chapter.

01:11:39.246 --> 01:11:47.534

[SPEAKER_05]: Because I think my brain went, wow, this is like the inspiration for all of our favorite, you know, creative people in the eighties.

01:11:47.654 --> 01:11:49.336

[SPEAKER_05]: Like it's here, here it all is.

01:11:49.916 --> 01:11:51.398

[SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, that's an exaggeration.

01:11:51.438 --> 01:11:55.922

[SPEAKER_05]: But if you watch it, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by all the little stuff you see.

01:11:56.932 --> 01:11:58.013

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had the same thought.

01:11:58.333 --> 01:12:12.640

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really recommend this for it's zombie content, which is although there are some threads of connection, and I'm glad John that you were able to identify a couple of them, it's still very, very weak sauce as far as zombie stuff goes.

01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:14.521

[SPEAKER_03]: So skip it if you are a zombie person.

01:12:15.721 --> 01:12:19.623

[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it's also just a tedious log for most of it.

01:12:20.504 --> 01:12:27.887

[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting more for what it hints is coming in film than in then for what it actually does.

01:12:27.947 --> 01:12:29.748

[SPEAKER_03]: So pick an episode.

01:12:30.249 --> 01:12:35.991

[SPEAKER_04]: If you had watched this over thirteen weeks instead of one evening, would you have enjoyed it more?

01:12:36.011 --> 01:12:37.532

[SPEAKER_03]: I would have enjoyed it more.

01:12:37.592 --> 01:12:37.812

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:12:38.293 --> 01:12:38.733

[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

01:12:38.873 --> 01:12:40.874

[SPEAKER_03]: If it were a TV show that I was just watching,

01:12:42.082 --> 01:12:42.942

[SPEAKER_03]: I would have enjoyed it more.

01:12:43.042 --> 01:12:46.444

[SPEAKER_03]: And the repetition would have felt just much less onerous.

01:12:46.804 --> 01:12:47.004

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:12:47.344 --> 01:12:48.864

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, watch the first episode.

01:12:48.964 --> 01:12:49.825

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the longest one.

01:12:49.865 --> 01:12:54.786

[SPEAKER_03]: It probably has the most varied stuff going on in it.

01:12:54.866 --> 01:12:55.087

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:12:55.387 --> 01:12:55.707

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:12:56.567 --> 01:12:59.988

[SPEAKER_03]: And you get to see that tank at, which is amazing.

01:13:00.608 --> 01:13:04.330

[SPEAKER_05]: You could also watch the last one and see Leonard Nimoy that we played his one line for you.

01:13:04.390 --> 01:13:04.910

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

01:13:05.808 --> 01:13:06.328

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that.

01:13:06.388 --> 01:13:09.809

[SPEAKER_03]: We have shared with you the entirety of underneath noise performance.

01:13:10.089 --> 01:13:10.229

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:13:10.249 --> 01:13:11.610

[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't need to go watch that.

01:13:11.670 --> 01:13:12.090

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

01:13:12.650 --> 01:13:12.970

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:13:13.190 --> 01:13:14.331

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's that time.

01:13:14.591 --> 01:13:20.073

[SPEAKER_03]: The scariest part of every episode where producer Brad reveals to us what will be watching next.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We are going to leave in nineteen fifty two and go to nineteen three.

01:13:24.034 --> 01:13:24.614

[SPEAKER_04]: And here is the poster.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:13:31.512 --> 01:13:36.813

[SPEAKER_03]: This is Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis in scared stiff.

01:13:38.393 --> 01:13:41.974

[SPEAKER_03]: John wanted to describe this this very dramatic poster.

01:13:42.394 --> 01:13:58.017

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I I was taking it back because on the on the very top are Martin and Lewis like howling and making huge scared eyes and you can tell which one is Lewis because his eyes are crossed and under them is a ghost and it says Dean Martin Jerry Lewis.

01:14:00.413 --> 01:14:10.984

[SPEAKER_05]: It just is Elizabeth Scott and Carmen Miranda, the title scared stiff and it's pictures Carmen Miranda dancing with a band and Elizabeth Scott also.

01:14:11.064 --> 01:14:15.449

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's very silly and it's all illustrated.

01:14:15.469 --> 01:14:16.750

[SPEAKER_03]: There's no like photos or anything.

01:14:18.058 --> 01:14:27.368

[SPEAKER_03]: So just I just need to confirm we are going to see a zombie at some point right in the fifties like we'll watch a movie that has a zombie in it.

01:14:27.528 --> 01:14:30.871

[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to make sure this movie we've already discussed that's right.

01:14:31.743 --> 01:14:33.404

[SPEAKER_04]: This is a remake of the Ghostbreakers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:14:34.125 --> 01:14:34.945

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

01:14:35.245 --> 01:14:35.666

[SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic.

01:14:35.686 --> 01:14:38.247

[SPEAKER_04]: And the Ghostbreakers is a remake of a prior film too.

01:14:38.307 --> 01:14:39.748

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a series of remake.

01:14:39.848 --> 01:14:40.129

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:14:41.129 --> 01:14:43.291

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this one looks pretty fun.

01:14:43.391 --> 01:14:50.295

[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I have a little bit more confidence in these kind of quote comedies as we get a little later in time.

01:14:50.596 --> 01:14:51.576

[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess we'll see.

01:14:52.037 --> 01:14:52.277

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

01:14:53.077 --> 01:14:54.578

[SPEAKER_05]: And I think Jerry Lewis is funny.

01:14:55.139 --> 01:14:59.862

[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, I think Dean Martin, I don't know what Dean Martin's job is to be honest.

01:15:02.102 --> 01:15:06.249

[SPEAKER_05]: He drinks any smokes and I don't and I respect that, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, well there you have it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This was zombies of the stratosphere.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Please join us next time as we talk about scared stiff.

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